

Truth and Peace for Canada and Ukraine!


Truth and Peace for Canada and Ukraine!
The Issue
We ask that you immediately get Canada out of all military support of Ukraine, for the good of both Canadians and the Peoples of that region!
Truth tends to be the first casualty in war, so we ask that you be truthful with us regarding the Ukraine War, and Canada's involvement with it, especially in these areas:
- Please spare us this narrative that we need to get militarily involved in someone else's war even without the slightest effort for peace talks. Fighting must not be seen as the best way to settle differences: whether our own other other peoples'. It takes a tremendous toll of human life to resolve differences between national leaders when war is the method used.
- Please spare us this assumption that we are obligated to help the Ukraine government militarily. They are not part of NATO (which is not an accident, but is because their Parliament voted to abandon NATO application in 2010). They have no reciprocal commitments to us. Neither have we militarily supported any nation so fast: even when our parent country, Britain, declared war on Germany (at the start of World War II), it took us a parliamentary debate and a week's time to join in to aid them.
- Please spare us the narrative that the Ukrainian government is worth helping militarily. Even if Russia is wrong and must be opposed, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Ukranian forces are good and must be armed. The evidence, in fact, is that the Ukranian forces have serious Nazi leanings (neo-Nazi), and it's quite outrageous for Canada to support them militarily knowing that.
As for Ukranian president Zelensky, he is no hero: he concealed from his own people detailed knowledge of Russia's plans for their special military operation, saying he would lose money if he had warned Ukranians. Instead he assured them, up to January 2022, of a peaceful year ahead.
In donating a tremendous amount of arms to an immoral regime, we should consider: is it possible that, after this war ends, all the weapons we've given them could be used to intimidate or harm parties we didn't intend to be intimidated or harmed? In other words, even if the Ukraine War ended now, isn't it possible that those weapons will come back to haunt us or our allies? - Please spare us this narrative that we have some new enemy. Sometimes the enemy is portrayed as Russian president Putin (for allegedly being 'evil'), sometimes other Russian individuals, and sometimes it's portrayed as Russia itself (which meaning is an entire group of People). Canadians must remember that no race or people are our enemy: that all humans are equal in value, and that decisions for good or evil are made at the level of the individual. Russia has never threatened Canada, and we used to quite enjoy playing hockey with Russians. Russia has been open to friendly relations with the West: in particular, in 1992 the USA failed to accept Russian president Boris Yeltsin’s offers for a publicly declared alliance, a joint missile defense system, and nuclear arms reductions. Even shortly before the 24 February 2022 'invasion' of Ukraine, Russia offered a proposal to NATO to guarantee its security and was rejected.
As for international helpfulness, after the recent Turkey-Syria Earthquake, Russia immediately dispatched rescue workers. - Please spare us this narrative that Russia has invaded Ukraine as an act of unprovoked aggression (as if there is no history there at all).
First of all, it's not an 'invasion' because on 21 February, 2022 Russia recognized the independence of the Donbas republics, and they invited Russia in to defend them based on a signed treaty (called the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with the Russian Federation). By this document it's not an 'invasion' but an 'invitation' and the difference matters.
Second of all, Ukraine agreed to a peace deal with Russia (the Minsk agreements) since 2014 granting the Donbas regions self-governance, which deal Ukraine never implemented, and for which reason Russia is fed up waiting while those people are dying. Worse, since then, French and German officials, who mediated the peace deal, admitted that the only reason they did so was to give Ukraine time to arm up (here is president Putin's reaction to that). This intent to pervert a peace deal for war, even from its making, should be considered a crime against humanity, and we need the integrity to admit when our side is wrong, preferring righteousness to tribalism. - Please spare us the narrative that this war is only since and because of the Russian incursion on 24 February 2022. This is a Ukraine civil war which has been raging almost continually since 2014 and which NATO has been supporting militarily since its early days.
The timeline goes something like this: the pro-Russian elected president was illegally replaced in a coup, the Russian-speaking peoples didn't accept that, many regions where they were in majority (Eastern Ukraine) demanded and voted for independence, and the Ukraine government declared them terrorists for that and made a war (called an 'Anti-Terrorist Operation') on them to prevent them separating (documentaries: The Donbas and Donbass. Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow.). One of the separatist regions, Crimea, Russia annexed in early 2014 following a successful referendum there, but left the Donbas peoples under the Ukraine government, relying on the (now-failed) Minsk peace agreements to bring them peace. Meanwhile NATO has been sending increasing military aid to help the Ukraine government battle the separatists, including, under operation UNIFIER, Canada training 35,000 Ukrainian soldiers & security personnel since 2015. Canada has been sending lethal weapons to support the Ukraine government since at least 14 Feburary 2022 (10 days before the Russian incursion we're supposedly reacting to).
Since Canada has been providing military aid for Ukraine since 2015, please don't pretend it's all because Russia 'invaded' in 2022. - Please spare us the narrative that the separatist regions don’t want to leave Ukraine and are somehow being forced to do so by Russia.
The Donbas republics, as well as two more, have in September 2022 (besides 2014) held referendums of overwhelming support to join Russia (Donetsk 99.23%, Lugansk 98.42%, Zaporozhye 93%, and Kherson 87%), and Russia has formally annexed them in late 2022.
Peace for the separatist areas was never achieved under Ukrainian rule but only under Russian rule. The result of the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea was peace but there was continual war in Donbas being left behind within Ukraine. This is strong evidence that these ethnic Russian peoples really do want to be with Russia, and not in Ukraine, regardless of referendum criticisms, since they rebel against Ukrainian rule but not against Russian rule.
Have you seen the laws which the Ukrainian Government has been oppressing the Russian-speaking population with (even the ones not trying to separate)? There is a language law restricting any other language but Ukrainian. There is a race law denying human rights for anyone of Slavic origin (ethnic Russians). The Government even uses the Law to persecute the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
As for daily quality of life, it's basically a genocide being carried out against them by the Ukraine government.
Why would they not want to leave!? If they want to join Russia (as they've kept expressing by referendums which our side has kept ignoring), why are we arming Ukraine to take them back by conquest? - Please spare us the narrative that we need to fight Russia because of allegations of heinous war crimes. War crimes are reported for both sides, and to focus on what Russia has done without seeing what Ukraine has done is unfair. Moreover, both sides accuse each other of the same things, even blaming each other for the very same incident, and we have little ability to discern the truth on individual soldier actions from our vantage point. Yet if war crimes are to be the focus, the original war crime in this conflict was the Ukrainian government attacking Donbas peoples (by first declaring them terrorists), to prevent them from separating (including allegations of mass graves).
As an examples of Ukranian war crimes, Ukraine is reported to set up military positions in civilian areas (which might explain Russia's attacks on civilian areas), and be using 'petal mines' in civilian areas (these are said to be targeted for children). - Please spare us the narrative that we're helping the Ukrainian People (by sending the Ukranian Government military support). By supplying weapons we're only prolonging the war, to the devastation of the region and suffering of its peoples. If we didn't provide military support, Ukraine would likely lose, or be forced to make diplomatic peace, and either way it would have been a quick way to peace for the Ukrainian People. With NATO's extreme military support for Ukraine, however, that government has no incentive to make peace whatsoever, because it would cut off that massive income stream.
- Please spare us the narrative that we're on the morally right side of this war. We didn't have to interfere, but if we did interfere, it should have been with humanitarian aid and peace negotiators. Even if we were somehow forced to get involved militarily, we should have come in on the side of the separatists (Donbas People), since both Canada (as we've shown with always giving Quebec the option to separate if they so choose) and America (as they showed in their Declaration of Independence from Britain) historically respect the right of Peoples to determine the independence of their government (also known as 'self-determination').
(Related article: The Dangers of Ukrainian Revanchism.) - Please spare us the narrative that we’re not in a de facto or proxy war with Russia right now. Canada is sending lethal weapons to fight Russia, even battle tanks, and we even have Canadian troops training Ukranian soldiers in Ukraine, NATO has seized Russian assets and has started to confiscate them and give them to support Ukraine (confiscation is not something you do to a party you are neutral with). Despite all that we pretend we are not a party to the conflict. Our fierce dedication to one side and working so closely with our military allies on Ukraine aid also indicates war: we wouldn’t need to constantly coordinate with military allies if we were just sending bread.
- Please stop pretending that we're not making Russia angry: at us. Like a fool who keeps up the pretense after being discovered, we continue to pretend we're not part of the war even though Russia doesn't agree and they are the only party the argument should have been aimed at. Rather their warnings about our military support for Ukraine have only become more severe. Why not drop a pretense which has failed? Or has it succeeded with a different audience? Perhaps the aim is to try to fool the Canadian people about the dangers and consequences of what we're doing ... until it's too late?
- Please stop pretending that NATO and Russia are not on a collision course for a clear and direct war. Lots of people are raising the alarm over a world war lately, including: UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, USA President Joe Biden, Dmitry Medvedev (Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation), and ex-President Trump. Do these people not know what they are talking about? Is it mere coincidence that the famous Doomsday clock is now closer to 'midnight' (human extinction) than it's ever been in its history, specifically because of the Ukraine War? Have you ever discussed the danger of escalation to a NATO-Russia war with the Canadian people (like we heard so often, for example, with COVID-19)? The Ukraine War is much more dangerous for escalation into a NATO-Russia war than even the Cuban Missile Crisis, because, unlike in the Cuban Missile Crisis, with Ukraine the fighting has started and the peace talks have stopped.
Here is what we want to hear more from you about:
- Please tell us how long this war is likely to last. Mircea Geoana, deputy secretary general of NATO, says we must get ready for the "long haul" and support Ukraine for as long as it takes. How long might that be? When do we go back to 'normal'?
- Please tell us more about the costs of this war. Besides hundreds of thousands of human casualties in the military, and thousands of civilian casualties, the war has cost the global economy deeply, including driving Canadian inflation, even though it's really only a tiny part on/near the eastern side of Ukraine where the war has been focused so far. What happens to the costs if the war escalates to all of Ukraine or most of the world?
- Please define what 'wins' means when this Canadian Government commits Canada to support Ukraine until it 'wins'. Most Canadians probably think this means a return to the early February 2022 borders. Yet Ukraine has defined what 'wins' is: not only retaking the four 2022 breakaway republics (Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson), but the 2014 one (Crimea) as well, despite that Crimea has achieved a remarkably peaceful result how it is now. It seems to all be about the Ukraine government's honour, to take back by conquest what they see as theirs, rather than serve the Peoples' wishes or world peace. (Isn't this the kind of thing which Russian president Putin is accused of ie. trying to recapture lost regions?)
- Please tell us more about why the Ukrainian Government has consistently rejected diplomatic peace opportunities without objection from Canada. Ukraine reportedly rejected a peace offer brokered by Germany just before the present incursion. Ukraine reportedly rejected a peace deal which was actually agreed by them with Russia in March 2022: the Ukrainians simply refused to sign it; they also resisted Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's advice to think about the lives of his people and take Russian president Putin's peace offer. Ukraine reportedly made it a law that no talks with Russia may happen so long as Russian president Putin is in office. Ukraine even reportedly rejected a Russian ceasefire over the recent Orthodox Christmas (Christmas cancelled!).
- Please tell us more about what the Canadian Government is doing to foster diplomatic peace in Ukraine. If fighting is the answer, why is Canada mediating diplomatic peace for Cameroon now, and not sending weapons there (not that we want that)?
- Please tell us more about why some NATO nations are opting to not send military aid to Ukraine. For example, the practice of sending weapons to Ukraine has been called out as ‘deeply immoral’ by Croatian President Zoran Milanovic (Croatia is a NATO member since 2009). Why can’t we be one of those NATO members? If NATO is not united in aid can we depend on them to stay united in war?
- Please tell us where the weapons Canada donates to Ukraine actually end up. This Canadian Government reportedly can’t trace them, and doesn't seem interested to do so, despite focusing so much on disarming law-abiding Canadians. How can ensuring fewer legal guns in Canada make people safer, but ensuring more guns in Ukraine (and, apparently, in the international black market), also make people safer? They can't both be true.
- Please tell us more about our plan to defend ourselves from Russia if they decide to turn on us directly for the weapons we are sending against them. Russia has more nuclear weapons than all of NATO combined, hypersonic missiles deployed, underwater apocalyptic weapons, a nuclear cruise missile (which can fly for years), and even a mutually assured destruction (MAD) defense system. These weapons were generally designed to bypass existing defenses. In particular, they have fifty new RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles (named ‘SATAN-II’ by NATO), which stand 116 feet tall, fly at 16,000 mph (Mach 21), and carry up to either 10-15 (depending on the report) nuclear warheads (with independent targeting) or 24 hypersonic cruise missiles.
Let’s not absolutely rely on Russian restraint, or NATO reliability, but let’s have our own plan to survive in case of the worst (especially if we believe that president Putin is evil). Concerning that, we don’t have any anti-air weapons (although this Canadian Government is buying them from the USA to send to Ukraine), and our allies don’t have their defensive missiles positioned between Russia and Canada to intercept any missiles coming at us (it doesn't help us that the RS-28 is designed to fly over the North Pole). It seems that the best we could do to contribute to NATO in a missile war is to serve as a buffer zone between Russia and USA as they try to shoot down each other’s missiles over us (that's if NATO even has ammunition, which shortage has been a major concern lately).
If we face only conventional war, will there be conscription for Canadians? Ukraine has been using conscription in this conflict, not even exempting pregnant women, and we have a much larger border to defend and small standing army. Please don't even think about it: there must be some duty to the freedom of Canadians, to not throw us into someone else's meat grinder!
Fortunately, we don't need to speak about our air defense only in terms of abstract concepts. There is a real-world example of Canada's air defense capability recently: a Chinese balloon of unknown nature (which could have been an EMP weapon) traveled over Canada for days, was allowed to continue unimpeded, and was only reported publicly by Americans when it crossed into their airspace. Why? Presumably it's because we have no anti-air weapons and the US does: they have options but the best we can do is cover our eyes. How are we going to respond to a hypersonic missile!? - Please tell us more about how nuclear war affects the environment, since federal environmental activism is a high priority recently, specifically being a declared emergency by Canada's Parliament in June 2019. This government is banning internal combustion engines for the sake of the environment, and even portrays fertilizer as an urgent need to restrict to protect the environment, while showing no concern at all about the risk of quick, extreme, and long-lasting environmental destruction possible through drawing ourselves into military confrontation with Russia.
- Please tell us why Canada is supporting Ukraine's fast-tracked application to join NATO. What happens if Ukraine is admitted to NATO while already at war with Russia? World war 3 is what. Have you gone mad?
- Please tell us what the endgame is here. How does it end when two nuclear powers go to war (even if through another nation), there are no peace talks, neither side can politically afford a failure, and neither side can reasonably be expected to surrender before using their nuclear arsenal? Right now it seems that we won't allow Russia to win and if NATO-Ukraine wins it's going to be nuclear war. Rather than discussing whether there is a risk of escalation of the Ukraine war to a nuclear war, we should urgently be discussing if our approach to it allows any possibility of avoiding nuclear war!
- Please tell us when Canadians get to have some say in whether we’re at war or not. You have no mandate from Canadians to send weapons to Ukraine. Since we’re not attacked, and our treaty allies are not attacked, and this has gone on for many months now with no sign of ending, there is time to put the decision of our involvement in the Ukraine War to the Canadian People by a direct referendum. We should have the right to decide what we die for.
We object to Canada taking any action against the self-determination of the Peoples of Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Crimea (who should be allowed to leave Ukraine if they want), and to Canada supplying military support for any non-ally (although humanitarian aid is fine), and to Canada provoking Russia with military support against it. Please therefore immediately stop all military aid from Canada for Ukraine!
(Notice to Signers: Due to the rapid evolution of this situation, and the continual discovery of more truth, the Creator of this petition reserves the right to make revisions. Also, the petition raises many points and it would be a shame for some people to not sign due to disagreement with one or two minor ideas. Therefore for both reasons, your signature will only be interpreted to mean interest in this topic rather than absolute agreement with every word of the petition.)
The Issue
We ask that you immediately get Canada out of all military support of Ukraine, for the good of both Canadians and the Peoples of that region!
Truth tends to be the first casualty in war, so we ask that you be truthful with us regarding the Ukraine War, and Canada's involvement with it, especially in these areas:
- Please spare us this narrative that we need to get militarily involved in someone else's war even without the slightest effort for peace talks. Fighting must not be seen as the best way to settle differences: whether our own other other peoples'. It takes a tremendous toll of human life to resolve differences between national leaders when war is the method used.
- Please spare us this assumption that we are obligated to help the Ukraine government militarily. They are not part of NATO (which is not an accident, but is because their Parliament voted to abandon NATO application in 2010). They have no reciprocal commitments to us. Neither have we militarily supported any nation so fast: even when our parent country, Britain, declared war on Germany (at the start of World War II), it took us a parliamentary debate and a week's time to join in to aid them.
- Please spare us the narrative that the Ukrainian government is worth helping militarily. Even if Russia is wrong and must be opposed, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Ukranian forces are good and must be armed. The evidence, in fact, is that the Ukranian forces have serious Nazi leanings (neo-Nazi), and it's quite outrageous for Canada to support them militarily knowing that.
As for Ukranian president Zelensky, he is no hero: he concealed from his own people detailed knowledge of Russia's plans for their special military operation, saying he would lose money if he had warned Ukranians. Instead he assured them, up to January 2022, of a peaceful year ahead.
In donating a tremendous amount of arms to an immoral regime, we should consider: is it possible that, after this war ends, all the weapons we've given them could be used to intimidate or harm parties we didn't intend to be intimidated or harmed? In other words, even if the Ukraine War ended now, isn't it possible that those weapons will come back to haunt us or our allies? - Please spare us this narrative that we have some new enemy. Sometimes the enemy is portrayed as Russian president Putin (for allegedly being 'evil'), sometimes other Russian individuals, and sometimes it's portrayed as Russia itself (which meaning is an entire group of People). Canadians must remember that no race or people are our enemy: that all humans are equal in value, and that decisions for good or evil are made at the level of the individual. Russia has never threatened Canada, and we used to quite enjoy playing hockey with Russians. Russia has been open to friendly relations with the West: in particular, in 1992 the USA failed to accept Russian president Boris Yeltsin’s offers for a publicly declared alliance, a joint missile defense system, and nuclear arms reductions. Even shortly before the 24 February 2022 'invasion' of Ukraine, Russia offered a proposal to NATO to guarantee its security and was rejected.
As for international helpfulness, after the recent Turkey-Syria Earthquake, Russia immediately dispatched rescue workers. - Please spare us this narrative that Russia has invaded Ukraine as an act of unprovoked aggression (as if there is no history there at all).
First of all, it's not an 'invasion' because on 21 February, 2022 Russia recognized the independence of the Donbas republics, and they invited Russia in to defend them based on a signed treaty (called the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with the Russian Federation). By this document it's not an 'invasion' but an 'invitation' and the difference matters.
Second of all, Ukraine agreed to a peace deal with Russia (the Minsk agreements) since 2014 granting the Donbas regions self-governance, which deal Ukraine never implemented, and for which reason Russia is fed up waiting while those people are dying. Worse, since then, French and German officials, who mediated the peace deal, admitted that the only reason they did so was to give Ukraine time to arm up (here is president Putin's reaction to that). This intent to pervert a peace deal for war, even from its making, should be considered a crime against humanity, and we need the integrity to admit when our side is wrong, preferring righteousness to tribalism. - Please spare us the narrative that this war is only since and because of the Russian incursion on 24 February 2022. This is a Ukraine civil war which has been raging almost continually since 2014 and which NATO has been supporting militarily since its early days.
The timeline goes something like this: the pro-Russian elected president was illegally replaced in a coup, the Russian-speaking peoples didn't accept that, many regions where they were in majority (Eastern Ukraine) demanded and voted for independence, and the Ukraine government declared them terrorists for that and made a war (called an 'Anti-Terrorist Operation') on them to prevent them separating (documentaries: The Donbas and Donbass. Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow.). One of the separatist regions, Crimea, Russia annexed in early 2014 following a successful referendum there, but left the Donbas peoples under the Ukraine government, relying on the (now-failed) Minsk peace agreements to bring them peace. Meanwhile NATO has been sending increasing military aid to help the Ukraine government battle the separatists, including, under operation UNIFIER, Canada training 35,000 Ukrainian soldiers & security personnel since 2015. Canada has been sending lethal weapons to support the Ukraine government since at least 14 Feburary 2022 (10 days before the Russian incursion we're supposedly reacting to).
Since Canada has been providing military aid for Ukraine since 2015, please don't pretend it's all because Russia 'invaded' in 2022. - Please spare us the narrative that the separatist regions don’t want to leave Ukraine and are somehow being forced to do so by Russia.
The Donbas republics, as well as two more, have in September 2022 (besides 2014) held referendums of overwhelming support to join Russia (Donetsk 99.23%, Lugansk 98.42%, Zaporozhye 93%, and Kherson 87%), and Russia has formally annexed them in late 2022.
Peace for the separatist areas was never achieved under Ukrainian rule but only under Russian rule. The result of the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea was peace but there was continual war in Donbas being left behind within Ukraine. This is strong evidence that these ethnic Russian peoples really do want to be with Russia, and not in Ukraine, regardless of referendum criticisms, since they rebel against Ukrainian rule but not against Russian rule.
Have you seen the laws which the Ukrainian Government has been oppressing the Russian-speaking population with (even the ones not trying to separate)? There is a language law restricting any other language but Ukrainian. There is a race law denying human rights for anyone of Slavic origin (ethnic Russians). The Government even uses the Law to persecute the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
As for daily quality of life, it's basically a genocide being carried out against them by the Ukraine government.
Why would they not want to leave!? If they want to join Russia (as they've kept expressing by referendums which our side has kept ignoring), why are we arming Ukraine to take them back by conquest? - Please spare us the narrative that we need to fight Russia because of allegations of heinous war crimes. War crimes are reported for both sides, and to focus on what Russia has done without seeing what Ukraine has done is unfair. Moreover, both sides accuse each other of the same things, even blaming each other for the very same incident, and we have little ability to discern the truth on individual soldier actions from our vantage point. Yet if war crimes are to be the focus, the original war crime in this conflict was the Ukrainian government attacking Donbas peoples (by first declaring them terrorists), to prevent them from separating (including allegations of mass graves).
As an examples of Ukranian war crimes, Ukraine is reported to set up military positions in civilian areas (which might explain Russia's attacks on civilian areas), and be using 'petal mines' in civilian areas (these are said to be targeted for children). - Please spare us the narrative that we're helping the Ukrainian People (by sending the Ukranian Government military support). By supplying weapons we're only prolonging the war, to the devastation of the region and suffering of its peoples. If we didn't provide military support, Ukraine would likely lose, or be forced to make diplomatic peace, and either way it would have been a quick way to peace for the Ukrainian People. With NATO's extreme military support for Ukraine, however, that government has no incentive to make peace whatsoever, because it would cut off that massive income stream.
- Please spare us the narrative that we're on the morally right side of this war. We didn't have to interfere, but if we did interfere, it should have been with humanitarian aid and peace negotiators. Even if we were somehow forced to get involved militarily, we should have come in on the side of the separatists (Donbas People), since both Canada (as we've shown with always giving Quebec the option to separate if they so choose) and America (as they showed in their Declaration of Independence from Britain) historically respect the right of Peoples to determine the independence of their government (also known as 'self-determination').
(Related article: The Dangers of Ukrainian Revanchism.) - Please spare us the narrative that we’re not in a de facto or proxy war with Russia right now. Canada is sending lethal weapons to fight Russia, even battle tanks, and we even have Canadian troops training Ukranian soldiers in Ukraine, NATO has seized Russian assets and has started to confiscate them and give them to support Ukraine (confiscation is not something you do to a party you are neutral with). Despite all that we pretend we are not a party to the conflict. Our fierce dedication to one side and working so closely with our military allies on Ukraine aid also indicates war: we wouldn’t need to constantly coordinate with military allies if we were just sending bread.
- Please stop pretending that we're not making Russia angry: at us. Like a fool who keeps up the pretense after being discovered, we continue to pretend we're not part of the war even though Russia doesn't agree and they are the only party the argument should have been aimed at. Rather their warnings about our military support for Ukraine have only become more severe. Why not drop a pretense which has failed? Or has it succeeded with a different audience? Perhaps the aim is to try to fool the Canadian people about the dangers and consequences of what we're doing ... until it's too late?
- Please stop pretending that NATO and Russia are not on a collision course for a clear and direct war. Lots of people are raising the alarm over a world war lately, including: UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, USA President Joe Biden, Dmitry Medvedev (Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation), and ex-President Trump. Do these people not know what they are talking about? Is it mere coincidence that the famous Doomsday clock is now closer to 'midnight' (human extinction) than it's ever been in its history, specifically because of the Ukraine War? Have you ever discussed the danger of escalation to a NATO-Russia war with the Canadian people (like we heard so often, for example, with COVID-19)? The Ukraine War is much more dangerous for escalation into a NATO-Russia war than even the Cuban Missile Crisis, because, unlike in the Cuban Missile Crisis, with Ukraine the fighting has started and the peace talks have stopped.
Here is what we want to hear more from you about:
- Please tell us how long this war is likely to last. Mircea Geoana, deputy secretary general of NATO, says we must get ready for the "long haul" and support Ukraine for as long as it takes. How long might that be? When do we go back to 'normal'?
- Please tell us more about the costs of this war. Besides hundreds of thousands of human casualties in the military, and thousands of civilian casualties, the war has cost the global economy deeply, including driving Canadian inflation, even though it's really only a tiny part on/near the eastern side of Ukraine where the war has been focused so far. What happens to the costs if the war escalates to all of Ukraine or most of the world?
- Please define what 'wins' means when this Canadian Government commits Canada to support Ukraine until it 'wins'. Most Canadians probably think this means a return to the early February 2022 borders. Yet Ukraine has defined what 'wins' is: not only retaking the four 2022 breakaway republics (Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson), but the 2014 one (Crimea) as well, despite that Crimea has achieved a remarkably peaceful result how it is now. It seems to all be about the Ukraine government's honour, to take back by conquest what they see as theirs, rather than serve the Peoples' wishes or world peace. (Isn't this the kind of thing which Russian president Putin is accused of ie. trying to recapture lost regions?)
- Please tell us more about why the Ukrainian Government has consistently rejected diplomatic peace opportunities without objection from Canada. Ukraine reportedly rejected a peace offer brokered by Germany just before the present incursion. Ukraine reportedly rejected a peace deal which was actually agreed by them with Russia in March 2022: the Ukrainians simply refused to sign it; they also resisted Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's advice to think about the lives of his people and take Russian president Putin's peace offer. Ukraine reportedly made it a law that no talks with Russia may happen so long as Russian president Putin is in office. Ukraine even reportedly rejected a Russian ceasefire over the recent Orthodox Christmas (Christmas cancelled!).
- Please tell us more about what the Canadian Government is doing to foster diplomatic peace in Ukraine. If fighting is the answer, why is Canada mediating diplomatic peace for Cameroon now, and not sending weapons there (not that we want that)?
- Please tell us more about why some NATO nations are opting to not send military aid to Ukraine. For example, the practice of sending weapons to Ukraine has been called out as ‘deeply immoral’ by Croatian President Zoran Milanovic (Croatia is a NATO member since 2009). Why can’t we be one of those NATO members? If NATO is not united in aid can we depend on them to stay united in war?
- Please tell us where the weapons Canada donates to Ukraine actually end up. This Canadian Government reportedly can’t trace them, and doesn't seem interested to do so, despite focusing so much on disarming law-abiding Canadians. How can ensuring fewer legal guns in Canada make people safer, but ensuring more guns in Ukraine (and, apparently, in the international black market), also make people safer? They can't both be true.
- Please tell us more about our plan to defend ourselves from Russia if they decide to turn on us directly for the weapons we are sending against them. Russia has more nuclear weapons than all of NATO combined, hypersonic missiles deployed, underwater apocalyptic weapons, a nuclear cruise missile (which can fly for years), and even a mutually assured destruction (MAD) defense system. These weapons were generally designed to bypass existing defenses. In particular, they have fifty new RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles (named ‘SATAN-II’ by NATO), which stand 116 feet tall, fly at 16,000 mph (Mach 21), and carry up to either 10-15 (depending on the report) nuclear warheads (with independent targeting) or 24 hypersonic cruise missiles.
Let’s not absolutely rely on Russian restraint, or NATO reliability, but let’s have our own plan to survive in case of the worst (especially if we believe that president Putin is evil). Concerning that, we don’t have any anti-air weapons (although this Canadian Government is buying them from the USA to send to Ukraine), and our allies don’t have their defensive missiles positioned between Russia and Canada to intercept any missiles coming at us (it doesn't help us that the RS-28 is designed to fly over the North Pole). It seems that the best we could do to contribute to NATO in a missile war is to serve as a buffer zone between Russia and USA as they try to shoot down each other’s missiles over us (that's if NATO even has ammunition, which shortage has been a major concern lately).
If we face only conventional war, will there be conscription for Canadians? Ukraine has been using conscription in this conflict, not even exempting pregnant women, and we have a much larger border to defend and small standing army. Please don't even think about it: there must be some duty to the freedom of Canadians, to not throw us into someone else's meat grinder!
Fortunately, we don't need to speak about our air defense only in terms of abstract concepts. There is a real-world example of Canada's air defense capability recently: a Chinese balloon of unknown nature (which could have been an EMP weapon) traveled over Canada for days, was allowed to continue unimpeded, and was only reported publicly by Americans when it crossed into their airspace. Why? Presumably it's because we have no anti-air weapons and the US does: they have options but the best we can do is cover our eyes. How are we going to respond to a hypersonic missile!? - Please tell us more about how nuclear war affects the environment, since federal environmental activism is a high priority recently, specifically being a declared emergency by Canada's Parliament in June 2019. This government is banning internal combustion engines for the sake of the environment, and even portrays fertilizer as an urgent need to restrict to protect the environment, while showing no concern at all about the risk of quick, extreme, and long-lasting environmental destruction possible through drawing ourselves into military confrontation with Russia.
- Please tell us why Canada is supporting Ukraine's fast-tracked application to join NATO. What happens if Ukraine is admitted to NATO while already at war with Russia? World war 3 is what. Have you gone mad?
- Please tell us what the endgame is here. How does it end when two nuclear powers go to war (even if through another nation), there are no peace talks, neither side can politically afford a failure, and neither side can reasonably be expected to surrender before using their nuclear arsenal? Right now it seems that we won't allow Russia to win and if NATO-Ukraine wins it's going to be nuclear war. Rather than discussing whether there is a risk of escalation of the Ukraine war to a nuclear war, we should urgently be discussing if our approach to it allows any possibility of avoiding nuclear war!
- Please tell us when Canadians get to have some say in whether we’re at war or not. You have no mandate from Canadians to send weapons to Ukraine. Since we’re not attacked, and our treaty allies are not attacked, and this has gone on for many months now with no sign of ending, there is time to put the decision of our involvement in the Ukraine War to the Canadian People by a direct referendum. We should have the right to decide what we die for.
We object to Canada taking any action against the self-determination of the Peoples of Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Crimea (who should be allowed to leave Ukraine if they want), and to Canada supplying military support for any non-ally (although humanitarian aid is fine), and to Canada provoking Russia with military support against it. Please therefore immediately stop all military aid from Canada for Ukraine!
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Petition created on February 2, 2023