Photo - ‘Define Aerotoxic Syndrome’ - Answered by ChatGPT.
ChatGPT is a product developed by OpenAI, which is an artificial intelligence research organization.
Artificial Intelligence is set to take off in a big way in the U.K. according to the Prime Minister’s speech on the subject recently. Many people are fearful of AI and quite rightly so, considering the potential dangers.
(If you aren’t already aware of the potential dangers, go on ChatGPT and ask ‘Can you explain why AI is considered potentially dangerous and what are the main concerns?’)
From a personal standpoint, I’ve enjoyed my interactions with ChatGPT in the way it currently operates, because it doesn’t have the capability to twist words or context or to hide the truth.
It has even explained how it learns, which in the wrong hands could most certainly be a danger.
At present it seems to be in good hands and long may that continue.
ChatGPT can make mistakes, and words to that effect are written on the website. As an example, it told me that all aircraft have filtration systems onboard which provide fresh, clean air; but I explained why that information was incorrect and it analysed the studies I provided with lightening speed and even summarised them within seconds, apologised, corrected itself and we carried on.
It provided me with information regarding HEPA filters at the same time and explained why they do not filter fumes. It also mentioned some of the concerns with claims made by the aviation industry regarding their effectiveness as well as concerns with maintenance.
However, in its current form AI doesn’t learn from being corrected - only during the current conversation.
It’s a very useful tool and a great resource for information, analysis, and clarification when researching specific subjects. While it can’t provide direct links to studies, it can guide you to reliable sources and suggest relevant study titles in key research areas. It doesn’t learn in real time or from interactions, nor does it retain memory of previous conversations, meaning it doesn’t advance its learning from those exchanges. Instead, it works with the information it was originally trained on, plus updates from 2023.
However, it’s always polite, friendly, and incredibly helpful, with a vast amount of information on Aerotoxic Syndrome, including the health issues, illnesses, and diseases resulting from acute (high-level) exposures during fume events, as well as from repeated chronic (low-level) exposures during normal operations. These exposures come from aircraft engine oil, hydraulic fluid, exhaust from other aircraft, and ground equipment, with various mechanisms and pathways within the human body that cause injury. In fact, on this topic, it is up to date and highly competent.
- Which is more than can be said for the UK Government’s scientific experts, particularly The Committee on Toxicity (COT) and the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council (IIAC), who continue to ignore recent scientific research as well as documents and findings sent to them. This information could help fill the knowledge gaps they’ve repeatedly mentioned and could contribute to the recognition of Aerotoxic Syndrome. Instead, these committees continue to work in ignorance and arrogance, dismissing the injuries and deaths caused, which has led to the denial of appropriate medical testing, care, and support for those who desperately need it.
Our governments are undoubtedly aware that exposure of this cover-up will have explosive consequences once it finally comes to light, due to the extent of their scientific experts' actions over decades. Not only have they concealed documents and ignored critical scientific evidence, they’ve also distorted the well-established science on the dangers of repeated chronic exposure to fumes or vapors containing organophosphates and the long-term illnesses and diseases that can occur.
As a result, current scientific experts within the UK Government cling to the pseudoscience perpetuated by their predecessors in the Committee on Toxicity (COT) and the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council (IIAC) from the late 1990s through 2014. They refuse, under any circumstances, to reconsider their stance. The COT’s 2024 statement on Aircraft Cabin Air Quality only reinforces their determination to ignore the truth, highlighting both their ignorance of the subject and their unwavering arrogance in their refusal to acknowledge the once well-established science on chronic exposure and dismissing new, credible evidence of other pathways and mechanisms of injury.
The Zuckerman Document 1951:
See VI. DANGERS TO MAN — MODE OF ACTION
http://www.oprus2001.co.uk/zuck1951.htm
Poisoning by the following chemicals were previously recognised as Industrial Diseases in the U.K. from 1958 to 1992, when they were then consolidated under one heading which became known as Disease C3.
These documents have never been digitalised and are only available as photos, which I can’t attach here. They were found in a file (along with many others) held by the National Archives. That file had been officially closed until 2079. Fortunately access was gained:
‘Nature of Occupation: The use or handling of, or exposure to the fumes of, or vapour containing …..
Poisoning by -
Disease Number 3 - Phosphorus - (Pesticides)
Disease Number 11 - Tri-cresyl Phosphate
Disease 12 - Tri-phenyl Phosphate’
Our Government were well aware of the dangers all that time ago - they also knew that repeated chronic exposure was, to quote the Zuckerman document above -
‘but chronic toxicity is the main problem. Repeated absorption of parathion*may result in cumulative poisoning.’
* Parathion being representative of the organophosphate group.
These documents also confirm what was known by the U.K. Government and their scientific experts:
U.K. HSE MS17 -1980:
http://www.oprus2001.co.uk/ms171980.pdf
U.K. HSE MS17 -1987:
http://www.oprus2001.co.uk/ms171987.pdf
It’s important to remember that Organophosphates are generally not used on their own, they are used commercially as part of chemical mixtures (formulations) in pesticides, aircraft engine oil etc., but the Organophosphates within them are known to cause serious health effects in very small amounts - particularly with repeated exposure.
The health effects of these mixtures which includes solvents/VOC’s has never been investigated or evaluated, nor have the cumulative and synergistic effects.
Fortunately, outside of our governments, science is evolving and advancing as it should, and is now providing us with the answers.
An article on Chronic Organophosphate Toxicity (2023):
https://www.emdocs.net/toxcard-chronic-organophosphate-toxicity/
The COT, who advise the U.K. Government’s Department for Transport on Aviation, has not yet compiled a list of Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC’s) which are known to cause injury at repeated low levels via hormonal pathways. (There are many EDC’s in aircraft engine oil and hydraulic fluid.)
The EU released their list of EDC’s in December 2022.
In addition to endocrine pathways and effects, there can also be immune, cytotoxic and genotoxic effects from exposure.
There are also the cholinesterase effects which were first known in the 1950’s.
This cover up hasn’t only involved pilots, cabin crew and passengers exposed to contaminated air onboard aircraft, it includes farmers and their family members, rural residents and gulf war veterans; all of whom have been exposed to fumes or vapour from chemical formulations containing organophosphates and in many cases there has been the addition of a pyrethroid called permethrin, used as an insecticide in the first Gulf War as well as onboard aircraft.
One of the methods employed in this cover up is the claim of psychological mechanisms being a plausible alternative for the physical symptoms, illnesses and diseases caused by exposure, rather than toxic mechanisms.
‘Nocebo Effect’ was coined in 1961 by Walter Kennedy in connection with patients’ reactions to inert (un harmful) substances, usually in medical trials for pharmaceutical drugs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
‘The "NOCEBO EFFECT" Fraud.
Science has proven the Placebo Effect in that substances with no medical properties can be used to beneficial effect in patients who believe that the treatment can cure.
The Nocebo Effect is claimed to work in the opposite way in that a patient believes that a substance can harm them and suffers symptoms as a result.
The Nocebo effect is therefore similar to the effects of Voodoo in that there is a belief of harm which can become a reality.
However. The Nocebo Effect is being used fraudulently to prevent those exposed to known harmful chemicals getting the correct medical diagnosis, treatments, benefits and financial compensation.
It is criminal.
The clue is in the official definition of the Nocebo Effect which suggests "illness from environmental exposures that are perceived as hazardous"
Most people had no idea that they were being exposed to toxic chemicals.
Most would perhaps be distressed by the smell of a chemical or fumes from it but would not be able to mentally induce the symptoms linked to the chemicals they could smell because they would not know what those symptoms were.
Those working in agriculture, for example, are always told that the chemicals they use were tested and proven safe before they were allowed to be sold.
In fact in early years there was no protection offered at all.
Chemicals were even mixed using bare hands. Some turned the skin yellow.
But they were all declared to be "safe".
So "safe" that ministers even ate DDT from a spoon before cameras.
(Video in the link).
When the truth about the danger of the chemical eventually showed to an extent when it could no longer be hidden the authorities did not say that wildlife suffered from a Nocebo effect.
They banned the chemical.
Hundreds of previously declared "safe" pesticides have been banned once the truth about their dangerous effects was known.
With chemical poisonings the symptoms come first and identifying the cause comes later, if at all.
Farm workers who were being slowly poisoned by regular use of pesticides would check the declared symptoms each time they used them to determine if they were being affected but, on seeing different symptoms listed to those they experienced, would dismiss the chemicals as the cause.
For example they might suffer with persistent tachycardia but the manufacturer's listed symptoms would declare the opposite - bradycardia.
Only once those workers were finally fully poisoned would they discover that all of the symptoms they had suffered every year are recognised as having been caused by the poisons.
In fact during the approvals process the manufacturers actually checked for those very symptoms, which are now denied officially for those workers and members of the public who have been chronically poisoned.
Laster they discover that the chemicals to which they were exposed have now been banned for safety reasons but officially their poisoning symptoms are still regarded as being "all in the mind".
That despite often having numerous scientifically confirmed diagnoses, cholinesterase tests and even with specialists stating that medical science could find no alternative diagnosis.
In this way, despite the poisoning diagnosis, patients are left abandoned to their fate with improper medical treatments and little or no financial support.
Should they fall into the hands of dishonest psychiatrists they may well be drugged into silence or sectioned with all their assets taken from them.
The classic murder scene in movies has the person who is being slowly poisoned being told by the would-be murderer that the symptoms are being imagined by the unwitting victim, who must be going insane.
It is a ploy used by poisoners to ensure that the victim dies but over time the truth is often realised and the criminal is caught and punished.
Those responsible for regulating these dangerous chemicals should never resort to such tactics.
The regulatory system is not only failing in its duty to protect health and the environment but it may also be using criminal acts to protect itself from censure.
Under the UK Fraud Act 2006 various descriptions of crimes under the Fraud label are provided including Deception and making false representations regarding a person's state of mind in order to cause them loss.
Promoting a false Nocebo effect cause in poisoning cases fits that description of a fraudulent act.’
(Continues in the link below.)
http://www.oprus2001.co.uk/nocebo.htm
My AI chatGPT companion stated:
“Legal and Social Context:
In cases where there is no formal recognition of environmental exposure as a cause of illness, governments or corporations may use the nocebo argument to avoid responsibility. This is seen in industries like aviation, where the long-term health effects of environmental factors—like exposure to aircraft fumes—are often minimized or ignored.”
Nocebo/Psychogenic Effects were employed in Germany in the early/mid 1990’s by Lufthansa German Airlines’ insurance underwriters, BG - Berufsgenossenschaft who added the nocebo/psychological terminology when cases were brought against the airline by crew for injury from contaminated air in aircraft.
In a German news report from 2010, former Lufthansa Chief Stewardess Aida Infante was interviewed regarding her experience and the following was revealed:
‘Sueddeutsche.de: What did the doctors say when your health continued to deteriorate?
Infante: For two years I went to the flight surgeon, family doctor, hospital doctors and diagnostic centres - and nobody looked for harmful substances. Some claimed that I was just imagining things. Finally, a neurologist announced that I had multiple sclerosis and probably only had about two years to live. Fortunately, he was wrong. I had had my baby a few years earlier - my child was ill for the first five years, it had accumulated toxins from my body during pregnancy, as my doctor confirmed afterwards.
‘Sueddeutsche.de: Now you finally had your diagnoses - how did your employer react?
Infante: I went to the flight surgeon with my sick note, which read "reduced perfusion in the brain, presumably due to pesticides". They didn't let my lawyer come along to the interview, even though it was about whether I would keep my job. However, the flight surgeon noted "rheumatoid clinical picture of unclear origin". I asked if he was serious. And he showed me about 3,000 files and said: "Oh girl, all colleagues who have a similar condition to you. But remember who my employer is." ‘
The pesticide poisoning in Aida’s case was confirmed as Permethrin which is an insecticide sprayed by cabin crew members in the aircraft cabin before arrival into certain countries. Permethrin is also an Endocrine Disrupting Chemical (EDC).
She was also repeatedly exposed to low levels of fumes from aircraft engine oil, (known to contain many EDC’s) as all airline crew are.
‘Permethrin exposure can lead to injury primarily through its neurotoxic effects, as it disrupts the normal functioning of sodium channels in nerve cells, causing overstimulation. Additionally, long-term low-dose exposure has been shown to induce liver and kidney damage in animal studies, indicating potential organ toxicity as well.’ - BioMed Central
The document in the link below called ‘Position on Cabin Air’ was published by the UK’s Committee on Toxicity (COT) in 2013. It became the official position of the U.K. Government.
The COT was chaired by David Coggan at that time. He had also been Chairman of the Advisory Committee on Pesticides (ACP), a member of the Industrial Injuries Advice Council (IIAC) who advise the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) on Industrial Injuries and was also a former member of the COT.
See number 12 iv. and v. in this document and the use of Nocebo Effect:
https://cot.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/cot/cotpospapcabin.pdf
In the position paper on Low Level exposure to Organophosphates (link below) published by the COT in 2014, also under the chairmanship of David Coggan, you can see the use of ‘psychological mechanisms’ shown in the document at xiii of the summary as well as number 218 on page 59:
https://cot.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/cot/cotstate.pdf
David Coggon was a government spokesman and apparently an expert on pollutants and toxicity, despite having no formal qualifications in toxicology.
He was employed by the U.K. Government from the late 1990’s/early 2000’s until 2015 when he retired. He sat on many expert committees which influenced government policy.
‘Professor David Coggan of Southampton University, a member of the Medical Research Council and Government adviser on pollution, assures us that testing methods detect chemicals at concentrations 'well below levels likely to cause harm'. He also makes the point that despite any possible risks, 'we all enjoy the benefits of modern technology'.
Not if we're dead from cancer...’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-299043/The-deadly-poisons-blood-streams.html
‘No Atomic Link in cancer deaths’- ‘An inquiry by Professor David Coggon found no link between the deaths.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8282994.stm
‘Prof David Coggan has now been put in charge of the MTHR research programme. He is an expert in batting off any problems to the government’
https://freepage.twoday.net/stories/4672737/
"This independent programme is now complete, and despite exhaustive research, we have found no evidence of risks to health from the radio waves produced by mobile phones or their base stations." ‘
Unprecedented legal ruling links tumour to mobile phone usage - 2017
‘SCIENCE, POLITICS AND MOBILE PHONES’
https://www.marlboroughwilts.com/sciencepolitics.html
‘Food advice move sparks row’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1893611.stm
Nocebo Effect was also used by Michael Bagshaw, former head of British Airways Health Services (BAHS).
‘Professor Bagshaw has worked for over 40 years in medicine and professional aviation. He is Professor of Aviation Medicine at King's College London, Honorary Civilian Consultant Adviser in Aviation Medicine to the Army, and visiting Professor at Cranfield University.’
https://www.jarvisbagshaw.com/styled-2/about.html
This is what he wrote in 2014:
‘Psychogenic Effects -
‘13. Finally, it should be emphasised that illness can be disabling whether it occurs through toxicity or through nocebo* effects, and therefore there is a continuing imperative to minimise the risk of fume incidents that give rise to symptoms.”
[* In medicine, a nocebo (Latin for "I shall harm") is a harmless substance that creates harmful effects in a patient who takes it. The nocebo effect is the negative reaction experienced by a patient who receives a nocebo. Conversely, a placebo is an inert substance that creates either a positive response or no response in a subject who takes it. The phenomenon in which a placebo creates a positive response in the subject to which it is administered is called the placebo effect. Both nocebo and placebo effects are entirely psychogenic. Rather than being caused by a biologically active compound in the nocebo or placebo itself, these reactions result from a subject's expectations about how the substance will affect him or her. Though they originate exclusively from psychological sources, nocebo effects can be either psychological or physiological.]’
Michael Bagshaw was interviewed by 60 Minutes Australia which is included in this documentary:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D97No_7fbR4
Nocebo Effect was also used by the CAA on their website:
‘NHS Care Pathway – patients exposed to fumes onboard commercial aircraft
D Wood, P Durgan, N Dowdall, D Coggon, R Hunter, T Stevenson, M Hoghton
View the NHS Care Pathway for patients exposed to fumes onboard commercial aircraft Information sheet for patients
Objective
Crew or passengers who experience symptoms during or following exposure to a fume incident, or symptoms which they think may have been caused by exposure to contaminants in aircraft cabin air, may seek advice from their GP, hospital A & E Dept, occupational health service or Aeromedical Examiner. These doctors may be uncertain how such patients should be assessed or what investigations might be required.*
It is important to consider the possibility of underlying disease that is unrelated to exposure to contaminated cabin air, since the symptoms described are generally non-specific and can occur in a range of conditions. People with symptoms should have the same investigations and, if necessary, specialist referral as would be the case for someone with the same symptoms but who had not been exposed to contaminated cabin air.
This care pathway has been developed by the working group to assist doctors in managing such cases.
Background
The cabin air supply on most large commercial aircraft is provided using engine bleed air systems. Fume events – abnormal odours, smoke, haze or fumes in the cabin – may arise from various internal or external sources, and some are due to contamination of the bleed air supply, for example as a result of a failure of an oil seal in the engine. In recent years concerns have been expressed about possible adverse health effects of exposure to contaminants in cabin air.
There is strong evidence that some people experience acute symptoms as a consequence of fume events. Some of the chemical contaminants that are present during such events are irritant, and may cause itching or soreness of the eyes, nasal discharge, sore throat or coughing. In other cases, there may be a psychologically mediated nocebo response (see note) triggered by awareness of irritation or an odour. From the research that has been done to date on the chemicals that may be present in contaminated air, the concentrations at which they are present, and the reported patterns of symptoms in affected individuals, non-irritant toxic mechanisms for the acute health effects seem unlikely.
In addition to the occurrence of acute health effects, a small number of people have attributed longer term illness to one or more contamination incidents or to repeated exposure to lower levels of contamination. However, it is currently unclear whether any form of long-term illness occurs to excess in people with such exposures, and if so, whether it arises through toxic or nocebo mechanisms. From what is currently known about the concentrations of potentially toxic chemicals in contaminated air, long-term toxic effects would not be expected, but this remains an area of scientific uncertainty. (see Further reading 1,2)
Nocebo effect Note: Illness, often with physical symptoms and signs, which is triggered through psychological processes in response to a perceived harmful exposure. The phenomenon is analogous to a placebo effect in which symptoms improve in response to a perceived beneficial exposure.’
Author affiliations
1. Dr David Wood, Consultant Physician and Clinical Toxicologist, Guys’ & St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust and King's Health Partners and Reader in Clinical Toxicology, King's College London, UK
2. Professor Paul Dargan, Professor of Clinical Toxicology, King’s College London and Consultant Physician and Clinical Toxicologist, Guys’ & St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust and King's Health Partners, London, UK
3. Dr Nigel Dowdall, Aviation Health Unit, Civil Aviation Authority, Gatwick, UK
4. Professor David Coggan, Emeritus Professor of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, University of Southampton, Southampton, UK
5. Dr Rob Hunter, Head of Fight Safety, British Airline Pilots Association, Hounslow, UK
6. Dr Tim Stevenson, Company Medical Adviser, easyJet Airline Company Ltd, Luton, UK
7. Dr Matthew Hoghton, Medical Director CIRC, RCGP
*”These doctors may be uncertain how such patients should be assessed or what investigations might be required.”
Exactly; which is due to the ongoing cover up which has resulted in a lack of education & training for healthcare professionals in hospital emergency departments and general practice.
This is why it’s paramount that an ICD-10 code is assigned for Aerotoxic Syndrome so that healthcare professionals are informed via a medical protocol to ensure those affected can receive the correct care, support, testing and referrals to specialists; all of which is currently denied within the NHS in the U.K.
It transpires that there has been no scientific research and subsequently no peer reviewed studies to support the use of Nocebo Effects causing "illness from environmental exposures that are perceived as hazardous" which also applies to the terms ‘psychogenic effects’ and ‘psychological mechanisms.’
This was confirmed in 2024 through Freedom Of Information Requests to the DHSC, UKRI, NHS-HSA, DfT and CAA who all confirmed they do not hold the requested information.
It’s encouraging to see the CAA have recognised their error with the misinformation previously published on their website and that ‘Nocebo Effect’ has now been removed from their new article:
The use (weaponisation) of psychology against innocent victims of chemical poisoning was deceitful and highly unprofessional considering those who used it in official publications were doctors with a license to practice medicine.
‘David Warriner, a clinical fellow at the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, regards the oath as “a moral compass.”
“It helps you with circumstances you face where you’re not sure what to do,” he says. “It also gives you a sense of pride and purpose in terms of the wider scope of medical practice and the importance of putting patients at the heart of decisions you make, which we can forget sometimes.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i6629
With regards to the recent Swiss tragedy, there were updates from the Aviation Herald dated 5th and 10th January -
https://avherald.com/h?article=521ec68d&opt=0
I asked ChatGPT if the health outcomes mentioned by the Aviation Herald could be caused by acute exposure to fumes or vapour from a complex mixture of chemicals containing Organophosphates:
“Yes, exposure to toxic fumes or vapors from a complex mixture of chemicals, particularly those containing organophosphates, can potentially cause a variety of severe health issues, including respiratory, cardiovascular, and neurological problems.
Here’s a breakdown of how it could lead to the conditions you mentioned:
1. **Septic Bronchitis**: Organophosphates and other toxic chemicals can irritate the respiratory system, leading to inflammation and infection of the bronchial tubes (septic bronchitis). Long-term exposure can also weaken the immune system, making the lungs more susceptible to bacterial or viral infections.
2. **Enlarged Heart (Cardiomegaly)**: While organophosphate poisoning primarily affects the nervous system, it can also interfere with cardiac function. Severe poisoning can lead to respiratory distress or fluid buildup (pulmonary edema), which can strain the heart and potentially cause enlargement due to overcompensation for reduced oxygen levels in the blood. It could also cause a condition known as "toxic myocarditis," which can lead to an enlarged heart.
3. **Oedema**: Pulmonary edema (fluid accumulation in the lungs) is a known consequence of toxic chemical exposure, particularly from organophosphates. The fluid buildup in the lungs can make breathing difficult and cause systemic edema (swelling) due to impaired circulation and kidney function.
4. **Brain Damage**: Organophosphates, by inhibiting acetylcholinesterase, disrupt normal nerve function, leading to overstimulation of the nervous system. Chronic exposure can result in cognitive deficits, memory issues, and more severe brain damage, especially if the brain is deprived of adequate oxygen due to respiratory issues or other systemic effects.
These symptoms are often associated with high levels of acute exposure, but prolonged exposure to even lower levels of these chemicals can also cause long-term health effects. If these conditions are suspected due to exposure to such chemicals, immediate medical attention is critical.”
- However, investigations are ongoing and will hopefully provide the much needed answers as well as justice for the deceased crew member and his family.
Further information on the Aerotoxic cover up can be viewed in the videos below.
Zembla Investigate Aerotoxic Syndrome (2017):
Part 1 - The non-disclosure clause
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P94i7_eM13A
Part 2 - The interests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcKwFE5nfYQ
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