Petition updateForce Colorado Springs to Repair the Barr Trail
The City is lying about issues with the Manitou Incline
COS Land Swap
Feb 6, 2018
Why is the City lying to me about the Manitou incline? They must have something to hide. I sent questions to the Mayor and members of the City Council. They refused to answer and forwarded my email to the Park Maintenance and Operations Manager. He lied, and said things that are just stupid. The Mayor and Council members are still refusing to answer my questions. They cannot continue this way for ever. Below is the response that I recieved, it lists my questions and Mr. Schroeder's responses. I have inserted my responses to each.
Dear Mr. Strow,
You have posed a number of questions/comments
that I will try to answer individually.
1. "I once read in the Colorado Springs
Independent where Sara Bryarly stated that
repairs being done on the Manitou Incline
would hold up for "about a hundred years.
That does not seem to be accurate. I assume
that she was implying that the Incline was
being restored to its original condition."
ANSWER - In as much as it has only been three
years since the initial work has been
performed we do not know the answer to this.
It certainly was designed to last a
considerable length of time. I also think
that she was possible talking figuratively
when
making that statement.
My Comments: Sara
Bryarly was speaking to the public through the
media. To my knowledge this is the only time
the City gave us any indication of how long
the repairs would last. They will not last
anywhere near a hundred years. The middle
section of the Incline ended up in a pick up
sticks formation twenty years after the rails
were removed. She may not speak figuratively
to the public in matters relating to millions
of dollars of public grant money. She mislead
the public. If the City does not stand by the
claim that the repairs will last about a
hundred years you must issue a retraction in
the media.
2. "I have heard that as long as the three
sets of rails were on the ties the entire
Incline
was one piece, but as soon as the rails were
removed the long term stability of the Incline
was compromised."
ANSWER - You are incorrect. The rails were
removed and the incline operation ceased
after storms caused significant washouts that
compromised the integrity of the track. The
rails did not ensure the stability of the
incline. The incline owners then removed the
rails
and sold them for scrap.
My Comments: Does the City
claim that the middle section of the Incline
would have still ended up in a pick up sticks
formation if the rails had been left on? The
long term stability of the Incline was
absolutely compromised when the rails were
taken off.
3. "Did the Manitou Incline Task Force consult with
a professional engineering firm about the
long term stability of the Incline? Did the
City do so before assuming responsibility for
the
maintenance of the incline? What do the
consultant's analysis say about these issues?
"
ANSWER - The Task Force did not, that was not
their role. The City did however.
Significant engineering was conducted prior
to the final design being completed. The
analysis said that the incline was unstable
and recommended repairs that would make it
stable which the City then instituted.
My Comments: If the
Manitou Incline Task Force did not determine
if the Incline was stable and sustainable over
the long term then the process conducted to
legally open the Incline was invalid. I have
heard that we were advised against trying to
maintain the Incline precisely because once
the rails were removed constant and repeated
work would be necessary to keep the ties in
place. Did the Cog Railway have to reset ties
over and over when the rails were on? Who has
the reports that the Task Force used in its
analysis? Are they available to the public?
4. What do the contracts with Timberline
Landscaping say about how long we can expect
these repairs to hold up?
ANSWER - The Timberline contract included
performance requirements that the work
would be performed per the engineer's
specification and plans. Their work complied
with
all elements of the specifications. Their is
no guarantee of longevity.
My Comments: I have no problem with this answer.
4. Are any ties on the Incline loose today? -
No.
My Comments: I cannot speak to this
because I have never been on the Incline. I
have heard for a long time that some ties that
were reset in the stage one repairs on the
middle section of the Incline are indeed
beginning to come loose. Does any one know
this to be true? Who does inspections on the
Incline? The City, and or the Forest Service?
Are official results of those inspections
available to the public? I ask that the Mayor or a member of the City Council personally tell us if any ties on the Incline move or wiggle at all today.
5. Does the Incline meet the safety standards
required by the Special Use Permit today?
- Yes
My Comments: While
I have not seen the Special Use Permit I am
certain that no ties may move due to liability
issues.
Thank you for your questions.
Kurt Schroeder
Park Maintenance and Operations Manager
Mr. Schroeder absolutely made statements that
are not true in his response to my email. This
leads us to believe that the City has
something to hide. The City may not withold
this information from the public, the City may
not lie to the public. Our elected
representatives serve the interests of the
people of our City, you may not keep secrets
from us.
The Manitou Incline is a problem. The overuse
of the Barr Trail is unacceptable. The Incline
has been legally open for basically five years
now, the claim that the City is still studying
potential routes for an alternate trail down
is no longer believable. The public must
assume that an alternate route down is not
feasible, and that the City has decided to
withold this information from the public. Had
the Task Force indicated that three or four
hundred thousand people would use the Barr
Trail to come down from the Incline in a
single year, the public would not have allowed
it to legally open. There is no excuse for
this abuse and mismanagement.
There are other serious problems with the
Incline that I am not at liberty to discuss
openly here. The City is ignoring those.
Peoples rights are being violated, people are
being harmed, and laws are being broken. It is
illegal for the City to pretend that these
problems do not exist. These problems are
irreconcilable and the Incline has to be
closed permanently.
When I prepared this email I considered
sending it to Parks and Recreation, but I
decided not to do so because over the years
they have consistently avoided my questions,
answered with spin, and have even lied to me.
I sent my email to the Mayor and members of
the City Council because they are held to a
higher standard of accountability.
Unfortunately they decided to refuse to answer
and passed the buck. I am still waiting for them to provide us with truthful answers.
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