Where does freedom of religion end, and freedom from discrimination begin? In 2019, a Toronto Catholic District School Board (TCDSB) trustee’s provocative and polarizing remarks ignited a firestorm. Michael Del Grande argued that if protections for queer and trans individuals were added to the TCDSB code of conduct, then protections should also be added for those who commit pedophilia and cannibalism. His comments sparked outrage, legal battles, and a fierce debate that continues to shape discussions on sex, gender, and inclusion in Ontario’s Catholic schools.Teachers, students, parents, and politicians remain deeply divided. Who holds the power to define the future of queer and trans inclusion in education? How does the acceptance of sexual and gender diversity impact religious rights?
Co-hosts Matt Nethersole and Tiff Lam delve into the ways that human rights, sexuality, gender, religion, and politics are colliding in Ontario’s Catholic schools—and beyond. In this episode, they speak to a 2SLGBTQ+ advocate fighting for change in Catholic schools, a former Ontario premier who thinks school boards can do more to comply with Ministry expectations and a historian explains the connection between Catholic schools and the birth of Canada.
Episode 2 - I Call it Evil
In 2019, Trustee Mike Del Grande used language that some called "inflammatory" and "disrespectful" to oppose additional 2SLGBTQ+ inclusion at the Toronto Catholic District School Board. Del Grande's comments resulted in sanctions from his fellow trustees and multiple legal battles. But not everyone opposes Del Grande's views. In fact, one group has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund his defence. Through interviews with key players, hosts Matt Nethersole and Tiff Lam explore the aftermath of Mike Del Grande's remarks. They also ask: what role do Catholic teachings play in public education? Later, we consider the impacts this case may have on freedom of religion and 2SLGBTQ+ rights in Canada.