Delightful important interview if you didn't hear it, eliciting hope, that rare sensation, from the potential impact of MacKay's beautifully articulate, large-brained, immensely authoritative message, adding to the ground swell of NZ resisting the govt 'urgent' repeal of tobacco  legislation and lack of vape control. https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018928404/dr-judith-mackay-tobacco-industry-critic-on-nz-s-fight-for-control
She describes with evidence and figures the impact of tobacco regulation, mainly the opposite of the Coalition claims, and the international reaction to the Coalition tobacco law repeal given the lethal consequences. She provides insight, some first hand, into the big tobacco modus operandus and simply states that the NZ govt is and has been going with only the UK and Canada completely against WHO advice and the trend of all the other countries who have each banned or very tightly regulated vaping. (Note- the referendum on vaping does not regulate, as it allows all retailers to display and sell vape products with no health warnings etc etc)

Photo from Wikipedia 'Public Health Law'