RISE advocate and retired CIA executive Carmen Medina and I had the luck to have a long and deep conversation with DOD UAP researcher and author of Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs, Lue Elizondo.

We discuss Lue's family's origins in Cuba, the gratitude he feels for the United States, and the frustration he has with the lack of transparency about the UAP topic -- as well as the reality of nonhuman intelligences and how grappling with this reality depends on the quality of our stewardship of our own inner spaces.

If you want to support research and innovation in previously stigmatized areas, please ask your friends and colleagues to can the nonpartisan RISE petition for the new White House here: https://change.org/RISEWhiteHouse 

Watch/listen to our conversation here: https://youtu.be/SWgdVe-3iCQ?feature=shared

Thank you for supporting RISE!

Love, respect, and gratitude,

Julia