An Observation of the DC and Marvel Fandom
May 5, 2018 — Hi, my name is Roberto Mata, I made the petition requesting WB to release the Zack Snyder Justice League Director's Cut on Home Media, and at this point you must know why I wrote it, as I describe in the summary, the film, as many of you should know, would’ve marked the culmination of Superman’s journey to become the symbol of hope and the beginning of a larger universe where characters from different backgrounds and backstories would’ve been introduced in a mythological and realistic way, just like their DC comic book origins, but that never came to be as another director with a very different agenda and under the instructions of a studio that allegedly was seeking to maintain their bonuses changed the tone, color grading, score, character development and overall storyline of Zack Snyder’s vision for Justice League and the DC Extended Universe.
Many of you are oblivious or have chosen to ignore that people have tried to either take credit for writing the petition or that there are people trying to sabotage it, and I know I shouldn’t pay attention to ignorant people as all they want is attention and controversy to gain views and followers, because that’s how ignorant and irrational people are, all of which I will discuss in the next paragraph, but before I do that, you must know that THE SNYDER CUT is real, at least the narrative of the film is complete, people need to be aware of all the elements proving that the Zack Snyder Cut exists, like Larry Fong posting a picture on Twitter saying that post production had been finished, stating that the picture was locked, which means there is a visually completed cut of Snyder’s version of Justice League that he edited from all the footage he shot. This completion includes elements such as color balance and color grading, because of Snyder’s work in the digital intermediate suite Company 8 as evidenced in his Vero post, while the level of completion of the sound and music is unknown, the only things that needed to be finished as stated by Larry Fong were sound mixing, mastering, 3D conversion, multitude of deliverable formats, marketing and distribution, which would’ve taken a few months to finish.
Recently, Zack Snyder has been posting many behind the scenes pictures of the production of Justice League, to which many have taken as a sign that the visionary filmmaker is teasing the release of his vision for Justice League, as all of you should know, Snyder is famous for allegories and symbolism, even many of his posts on social media have had a double meaning, but for him to release his version of Justice League he would’ve had too been working for a few months on the film after its theatrical release, which is unlikely since he has been working on the pre-production for the highly anticipated war drama of The Last Photograph, which begins filming in the summer, in my personal opinion Snyder will release his director’s cut of the film sooner rather than later, after all, he has the legal right to request WB to release his cut of the film, according to the DGA rules.
I started the campaign for #ReleaseTheSnyderCut shortly after publishing the petition on change.org, to which a few people helped out of passion and love for DC and Zack Snyder, as well as many fans on social media promoting it in an attempt to reach Warner Bros. Pictures and request the film, but as mentioned earlier many people have chosen to be disrespectful towards the petition, the campaign and the fundraiser, claiming that the fundraiser is an attempt to make money, completely ignoring that the description is very clear on its intention: Making a Documentary on The Snyder Cut and getting the truth about what happened behind the scenes, but need I remind people that the YouTubers they follow sit on a chair in front of camera to read other people's articles, making reaction videos about trailers and clips, that people can read and watch by themselves, but of course, I'm talking about people who need approval for the things they like, rather than be passionate about them themselves and not giving a damn about what others think of it, of course that's how society works, people are divided into groups that separates them into ignorant and irrational agendas and beliefs like Feminism, Social Justice War, Black Lives Matter, Political Correctness, Religion, etc, and if you feel offended by the truth, then you are living in a fictional world, truth is truth no matter what you think or where your opinion stands, of course some will call statements such as this racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc, completely ignoring logic, rational thinking and the truth, they don't question their beliefs and agendas, they just go with what is Popular, Controversial and what makes them feel save, they are for lack of a better term: followers, they don't have a mind of their own, they need to follow a belief or agenda to feel like they belong somewhere and then they scream at their cellphone/computer screens, because truth disagrees with their opinions, which all seems to be quite popular and unfortunately the death of human intelligence, as such simple minded people are following stupidity, not the truth, not passionate individuals, and not making passionate works themselves, they are living a life where everything is given to them, rather than hard work. Remember, YouTubers have patreon and PayPal accounts, they make money out of people watching them read articles and react to videos. The Snyder Documentary is a search for the truth, taking action, traveling to places and interviewing people who worked on the film, the donation for the fundraiser of The Snyder Cut Documentary is not mandatory, it is the choice of the signatories if they want to donate.
Other people claim that I wanted recognition for making the petition, and while I do deserve recognition, that's not what drove me to write it or what keeps my passion for DC, DCEU or the artistry of Zack Snyder alive, I never looked after recognition, my passion is getting to share my love for DC characters and what Zack Snyder has brought to the big screen as an artist, and as you all should know, Passion is not limited, as recognition is only part of someone else admiring that very same passion on any given subject, it's obvious that people with such ignorant claims of recognition are jealous of the work I put on writing the petition or they are simply intellectually limited.
Others want to take ownership of my petition, when again, I wrote it, I published it and I campaigned for it, if you signed it that was your choice, but that doesn't give anyone the right for ownership, after all, it's just a petition and people fighting to take ownership for something they didn't write is absurd, it only gives ammunition to people who said that the DC fandom is toxic and partially they are right, when there have been only a small amount of DC fans who are passionate about DC and Zack Snyder's work, the rest just want to write hatred against others and they want to be recognized for reasons that are unknown to others, but something is very clear: their irrational and emotional responses point towards a spectrum of loneliness, which something I will discuss further in another paragraph.
I've seen "so called DC fans", such as Film Gob talking hatred against the MCU, take his review for Thor: Ragnarok as an example, he talked about how the film was ridiculous, but he didn't saw the movie, as stated by himself, he just went with people's "Fun, Funny" responses, and that's not a review, that's just hatred for the sake of hatred, his claims of the MCU being racist is unfounded and rather a claim that points towards his own ignorance, the MCU is not sexist nor racist as he claims, and while Black Widow’s remarks of she being a monster for not being able to give life are most definitely horrible towards women, that’s a fault that should only be pointed towards Joss Whedon and not the MCU as a whole, as Whedon has proven many times his hatred towards women, he writes female characters that are in constant need of men’s help and that includes his most famous TV show: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where the character was constantly making ridiculous mistakes, seeking the help of the high school librarian and constantly going after a very obvious toxic relationships with vampires, film gob says that the beginning of Black Panther, where Muslims are shown as terrorists is racist, when the film is not trying to make a statement in that regard, but take history and the 21st century as an example: there have been a large variety of Muslims who were and are currently terrorists, especially those who practice the religion of Islam, you need to remember that Muslims follow certain rules that say that Homosexuals shouldn’t live and that women should be punished for wearing skirts and if they are seen without their hijabs they should be either disfigured or put to the death, not all muslims are terrorist, and those ones have decided to call themselves ex-muslims, the point is not racism, it’s the simple truth of Muslims in the modern world, the point of all of that, is that Film Gob's racist claim is unfounded, remember he is half Pakistani and “his people” as he calls them have crashed airplanes into buildings and they are responsible for 75% of terrorists attacks around the world and that’s only the terrorists rates from 2016 alone, and he has the disrespect to defend them, they must definitely shouldn’t be defended, film gob then bashes the fundraiser for no reason, other than I blocked him for reasons that I will explain in another paragraph, which means that he not only has an inferiority complex claiming racism where there isn’t, but he also bashes other people’s work because of his need for attention, people like film gob are not driven by passion, truth or objective opinion, they are driven by hatred and jealousy, does he talk about filmmaking?, what allegories, symbolism and themes represent in a film?, does he talk about comic book accuracy? Or the arts of film?, No, he talks hatefully towards the MCU, he reads articles and makes reactions videos with a character that showcases a personality disorder, hatred is ignorance and ignorance has no basis in rational or logical opinion, hatred is an emotional response to something a person is jealous about, in the 21st century that response is an attempt to gain views out of controversy, film gob wants controversy to gain views and followers, but what else can be expected from intellectually limited people like him.
Another guy, who went by the name of the nice cast and now goes by the name of the nice cast, is another person who tried to sabotage the petition, I asked for his help on how to make a podcast, at first he was friendly, but after he posted a picture of Batman v Superman in his Instagram account, in which he wanted his followers to talk about the meanings of the film, I decided to unfollow him, since I gave my opinion of the meaning of the film in the comments section of the post and people started replying, that my opinion wasn’t true, and I replied, that no opinion is true, opinions are based on what you think of a topic, not on truth, I was only giving my take on the meaning of BVS, and the nice cast decided to reply to me via private message, that I shouldn’t talk about religion, as I found BVS to be a very atheistic film, I told him that him telling me not to talk about my opinion on the meaning of BVS, was discriminatory, since his post, as mentioned before, was asking his followers to talk about their opinions on the meaning of BVS, I told him he was being selective and that was both discriminatory and unprofessional from him, then he started sending ignorant messages about his crazy beliefs and I replied that the post he posted was never about his beliefs, but about an open discussion of BVS, where people shared their opinions, but he continued with ignorant claims about how religion should be respected, I corrected him, telling him how religion is the most dangerous belief system in the world and how much death has caused to the world, he then replied he was muslim and that Islam was his religion, he then blocked me, and then he claimed I blocked him, he then unblocked me, months passed and I decided to tell him about the Justice League petition and how we should all work together to fight for a common goal, I told him that the petition wasn’t going to do anything, but that inspiring people to talk about it would help create a voice for DC fans, he started to talk ignorantly and he blocked me, and like film gob, among other ignorant people, he is someone who wanted popularity with controversy and crazy beliefs, which goes to show that none of the people, who claim to fight for DC are passionate, they are people who live in ignorance, talk meaningless bullshit to gain views and followers.
Something I know studying psychology, neurology and watching and understanding human behavior closely, is that confident people have no need for hatred, there is no point for hatred, unless that hatred stems from a personal place, a personal place is mostly caused by abuse, and in most cases, that abuse stems from personal relationships like your parents, family, friends, girlfriend/boyfriend and tragedy, meaning that the person who hates someone or something is a product of a toxic environment, ask yourself the following: what is the need to hate someone else’s passion?, what is the need to hate someone else?, what do you get from it?, you might be confusing hate with anger, hate is an emotion and anger is a feeling you get when someone or something bothers you, then ask yourself what bothers you?, why? And how can you resolve it?, one of the best things a person with anger can do is focus on what they are passionate about, to demonstrate themselves what they are capable of by talking about topics they love, you can still criticize and have your personal opinion on a subject, but do it logically, objectively, and be rational, take the following as an example: I love Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America: The First Avenger and Thor, they are films that focus on character development, story, motivations and they have a balanced tone that mixes action with humor, they are not perfect and no film ever is, but this is the way I give my opinion on what should’ve been better and I’m going to use Thor as an example: the film revolves around an arrogant demigod, who doesn’t know about selflessness and only seeks to win the next fight, his disappointed father banishes him from his home world/realm and throughout the film the now human Thor learns about selflessness, while his half-brother takes over his home world and what looks at first like a betrayal towards his adoptive father, which is only a plot point for the audience to learn in the end that the god of mischief only wanted his father’s love and respect, as he saw that the old god had a preference for Thor, and that’s a story many can relate to, but in my opinion they should’ve left out Shield and focus more on the personal story, understandably they were building a larger universe and story wise the inclusion of Shield was logical, as the government responded to something unusual, but that’s my take on it, now did I hate on the film as many people have done? no, I gave a quick review and a little bit of my opinion on the film, again I ask: what is the need for hatred? There is no need.
The Difference between hate and opinion:
Opinion is an idea, that deals with subjective matters and topics in which individuals share those ideas.
Distinguishing fact from opinion is that facts are verifiable. An example is: "Religion is a system of poisonous beliefs, that has to people committing crimes and terrorism" versus "Religion gives you peace".
Hate is a feeling that is often associated with anger, but don't confuse the two, hate and anger are two very different things.
Hate is often seen as an extreme form of anger, which in many cases lead to criminal or terrorist intentions. People are driven to hate people due to the fact that the person they hate, it's more successful in some way, and that anger is taken very far, for whatever reason, like mentioned earlier, it takes people to extreme measures where they commit a crime.
When you hate someone, you may suffer from these symptoms:
1. When you see the person your blood often pumps faster and your arms and muscles get tense.
2. An amazing ammount of dislike aimed at them, so much as you would not give a damn if they died.
3. Sometimes, you will often get the sudden urge to murder them, no matter how aware you are of the consequences.
There are several things that cause people to be angry, such as:
It's a complex emotion that encompasses feelings ranging from fear of abandonment to rage and humiliation. Jealousy strikes both men and women and is most typically aroused when a person perceives a threat to a valued relationship from a third party. The threat may be real or perceived. It is not limited to romantic relationships but also can arise among siblings competing for parental attention, friendships or people who are angered from someone else's success. it's an emotion which occurs when a person lacks another's superior quality, achievement, or possession.
2. Inferiority Complex:
An inferiority complex is the lack of self-worth, a doubt and uncertainty about oneself, and feelings of not measuring up to standards. It is often subconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting in extreme asocial behavior.
3. Moronics/Low IQ:
The science of stupidity, taking stupidity and subhuman intelligence to the lowest level. It's someone having the qualities of a moron, someone with an IQ of 45-59, in other words unintelligent people.
Now, the MCU has indeed taken a page from the DCEU to create a new movement for more diverse films and I agree that it took them 18 films to do that, but hatred against a studio is not an opinion, is just an emotional response founded in ignorance and some might say that their emotional response is due to their love for Marvel characters, but ask them to be honest with themselves, it is not because they care about those characters, it's because people with such hatred are tired that the DCEU is constantly bashed by Critics and Journalists for no other reason, than to put the MCU in high regard, which means that a large part of both the DC and Marvel fan community are indeed toxic, instead of giving their opinions about films, they talk hatefully towards each other, and while I agree that Critics and Journalists have been unprofessional and ignorant in an attempt to create controversy, you need to remember that you don't need to listen to them, instead of that, create your own blog, website or YouTube channel where you can talk about what you love, because all you can see in many YouTube channels is an ignorant chain of controversy, rather than passionate and honest opinions about the content they release, of course if they read this statement, they will try to find some sort of excuse to bash my words, instead of logically thinking of their content, at first youtubers started talking about how various Critics were bias with their content, which is true by the way, but what they don't reflect on is that they have become just like them, they are two different groups with opposing hatred for each other, and I ask myself what happened with people sharing their opinions and at the end respecting each other, agreeing to disagree, they only showcase with their ignorance that they have more hatred than passion, because passionate people don't bash someone else's work.
I might not like everything the MCU has done with a few of its characters or their choice of tone and narrative, but I do give them credit for making a successful business, and whether you like it or not, audiences seem more interested in laughing at the screen, than caring for characters; and Marvel fans seem to love that, so, why are people trying to destroy their enjoyment?, instead of that, focus on the characters and stories you love and are passionate about, WB made a huge mistake by trying to copy Marvel's formula and by letting go of Zack Snyder, but they seem to have recognized that mistake with Joss Whedon no longer directing Batgirl.
Other people started writing things, as if I was a pedophile, which is not true, a pedophile is a person who wants to fuck children, I hate pedophiles, they should be put to death, they are awful monsters, it’s disgusting writing about such awful topic, but again, these are people who are trying to discredit the petition and the campaign, and they write the most ignorant, irrational and stupid meaningless things, it goes to show that this people are insane or they have mental problems.
Others talk about Karma, as if that was something real, when is not, they talk about it because they are jealous/envious of the work I did with the petition and they are looking for someone to blame for their inferiority complex, and that’s not going to be me, karma is a mystical thing, that is rooted in ignorant beliefs, which is described as something done towards a person, that will turn back on you, which is complete and utter bullshit, if that were true every serial killer would be dead or caught, and if you know anything about criminology, is that most serial killers get away with it, they get to live their lives, while the families of the victims live with the reminder of watching their loved ones burned alive and cut to pieces in a table at the morgue or they have to live with the bodies of their loved never being found, and that’s just one example to explain the bullshit of those beliefs, that goes to show that people are ignorant beyond any rational understanding and as Sam Harris once said: “it would be rational to kill people with dangerous beliefs”, beliefs like those should be eradicated completely.
Others attack atheism, which is the only rational thinking in the world, Atheism is rational, logical and intelligent thinking, it bases its conclusions in science and truth, not in the crazy belief of an all powerful being that doesn’t exist, if you still hold the belief of a sky daddy, that will save you from a cold or disease with prayer, then don’t go to the hospital, remember, medicine was made by science, but of course, your next ignorant claim will be that god created science, when in fact men discovered science, which is the observation and experimentation of life, and men created god to control people with fear of death, and if you take both the crazy beliefs and science burned them, guess which one will be discovered again?, Science and why?, Because science, as mentioned earlier, it’s the observation and experimentation of life, while crazy beliefs are a way for people to control societies with fear.
Now, Fiona Zheng calls herself a Zack Snyder fan, but that's not true, as before Justice League was released she was defending Joss Whedon's involvement saying that the movie was going to change people's lives and that Snyder trusted him, but of course, I knew that wasn't true as I'm sure all of you know as well by now, Snyder is a filmmaker, he would never trust a person like Whedon who is a person that works by committee, and Zack is familiar with Whedon's work, and I truly doubt that the same filmmaker who once said that Ant-Man was a flavor of the week superhero would trust a writer/director who writes characters who are just like that. I know that you are thinking that this is an attempt from me to discredit Fiona Zheng, but not at all, it's just me explaining to all those people who have tried to discredit my petition, the truth behind the kind of people they follow, after all, I created the campaign for The Snyder Cut and I truly think people deserve to know the truth, which is as follows:
I wrote the petition months before the film's release as I thought that what was going on behind the scenes was too suspicious, first it was the replacement of Tom Holkenborg with Danny Elfman, and as you all should know, films scores are very important to set the tone of the story, narrative, character development and continuity purposes, then months later it was announced that WB had mandated a 2hr runtime, which I found ridiculous for a film with 6 characters with larger than life backstories, so I decided to published the petition a few days before Justice League was released, I went to see the film and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that the film started with a cellphone video, a fucking cellphone video, that showcased a Superman with a horrendous CGI mouth and a new costume that was meant to be his new suit as seen by the end of the film, which not only showed me that Whedon was unprofessional, but that he intentionally sabotaged the film, it was either that or Whedon is a complete moron who has no regard for continuity. Look at Zack Snyder, he shot a short film with an IPhone and he made it look like a high budget studio production and he did that with his friends and family over a weekend, if there's ever another petition it should be to request every major studio to keep Joss Whedon from directing or writing a superhero film ever again, and that's coming from someone that loved Angel and Serenity, whedon not only lost his touch, he has nothing to offer as a writer, director or as a human being.
One week after publishing the petition, a Vero user that went by the name of Fionadcpositive and now goes by the name of Fiona Zheng approached me, telling me that the petition needed to be rewritten, I decided to give her a chance and she sent me a draft written by Sheraz Farooqui, where he had taken my words and rewritten them, but I decided to decline it, because it was too signature friendly, that means it was written to approach more signatures, rather than a passionate approach, then a week after that, Fiona Zheng approached me once again saying that Man of Steel Answers had written a draft with FAQS, something that I found ridiculous for a petition, and I then decided to write a new draft, since people were calling the petition too long, I took my original words with the help of a Twitter user that has decided to remain unknown, as he is aware of this statement, to write a new draft, then I published my final draft of the petition, to which Fiona Zheng and Man of Steel Answers got angry and they started to write very ignorant and narcissistic words about how the petition should follow what they had written, so I decided to try to talk with Fiona over video chat, so that we could work together to find common ground, she not only refused, but responded violently saying that she didn't needed to show her face, which my co-writer found odd and suspicious, so since Fiona didn't want to work together and responded violently I decided to block her on social media, since she at that point was trying to gain credit for the petition when she didn't do anything to help, as I declined their drafts. A few days later after that, Sheraz Farooqui contacted me saying that the Man of Steel Answers’ draft with the FAQS was more approachable for WB, I declined since the draft was basically a “Justice Leagued” version of my original petition, as the draft was trying to gain more followers, rather than be passionate about it, I then approached Film Gob and asked him for his opinion on the drafts and I ask him if he could talk about what had happened with Fiona in one of his videos, as I wanted DC fans to know the truth about her and what she had done, he declined stating that he didn’t want to get involved, I told him that he was right at that moment, but then a few weeks later I noticed there was a website campaigning for The Snyder Cut and at the bottom there was Fiona Zheng's name as the creator of it, which I founded ironic and funny, I also saw Film Gob promoting it, which I also found ironic as I had told him the kind of person Fiona is, that's when I realized Fiona's true intentions, she wanted to be the star of the campaign for The Snyder Cut, she made a website out of jealousy and not passion, she attempted to use Snyder's tragedy to make a case against WB, when the campaign was meant to voice DC fans concerns and opinions, I tried contacting Film Gob and he said he was not interested, because Fiona had a website and there was no need for the petition, so I decided to block him, because he didn’t care for the truth, he only wanted the content that was popular, again confirming that he was not different than Journalists who talked down the DCEU, and I decided to remain silent until today, because one thing every person who signed must know is the following:
People like Fiona Zheng need to stop using Snyder's tragedy to make a case against WB, that's disrespectful towards Snyder and his family, and that's not what the campaign for the Justice League Director's Cut stands for, as it was always meant to inspire DC and Zack Snyder fans to talk about their opinions about the release of Justice League and how Snyder has made a stepping stone for superhero films, and if there ever was a case to make against WB, it would've been driven by the TRUTH AND PASSION, not a fan fiction/keyboard warrior "war" against Marvel fans or WB, the campaign was always meant to request WB for The Snyder Cut of Justice League with respect and integrity.
My petition is driven by truth and passion, as I said before it was always meant to voice DC fans opinions on the release of Justice League, I never intended to make a big deal out of it, since in the end is just a petition, but some people, as mentioned earlier, have taken it to be a sort of weapon against other fans of other superhero films and that's not what passion is driven by, that's just hatred and anger in disguise from ignorant people, in other words they are ignorant and irrational, those other superhero films are rooted in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which no matter where your opinion stands, it’s enjoying a great deal of acclaim both critically and financially, something the DCEU was trying to thrive on before all the critical bashing took place and that's something I agree with every DC fan: Most Film Critics have lost or they choose to ignore: PROFESSIONAL CRITICISM, now they just publish clickbait or controversial opinions, because that gains them views and followers, or take as an example how articles are written by children minded people, who claim that the DCEU is not doing anything right, completely forgetting that out of both the MCU and DCEU, the latter is focused or was focused, before WB changed that, on giving DC fans comic book accurate and relatable human versions of DC's most iconic superheroes, but of course, as mentioned earlier, many critics took a bias approach, while other YouTubers, Journalists and Websites follow suit in an Anchor Effect, which means that they went with what was POPULAR, rather than PROFESSIONALISM.
One thing I can't express enough is the need to keep integrity and truth within the campaign for Zack Snyder's Justice League and that includes telling DC fans how toxic some of the Youtubers they follow have become, Youtubers who at first were trying to help the campaign, but when presented with the truth about what is going on within the campaign, and how keeping the truth from fans would be the same tactics used by WB, they chose to ignore it in favor of gaining views and followers, they became the very same thing they were trying to fight against, they became just like the journalists who constantly write articles against the DCEU, those channels are Film Gob, Comic Movie Marks and John D Movie Reviews, in a way, various articles were partially right about how “Some DC fans" were toxic and to some extent downright delusional, in conclusion, if you are a DC and Zack Snyder fan be passionate about the subject you love, instead of following ignorant people.
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