i think most kids, especially 4th graders, find it hard to think at 8:30, i think it should be moved to later in the day like 2:00, because your brain starts to process, and you can eat breakfast not in a rush, and finish things before having to do online classes. if not 2:00, move it to at least 1:00. it would be easier for the kids to wake up on their own, especially because some parents (like mine) still work and some kids (like me) can’t wake up on their own, or by an alarm.