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GET FENWAY SPORTS GROUP OUT OF LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB
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We formed this group back in 2012 and 2013 we started this YouTube Channel bringing up the issues and concerns we had about FSG.
We feel FSG have used financial fair play to hide their MoneyBall strategies. MoneyBall is used for baseball teams that don't have the money or the resources to compete with the teams who are financially better off. FSG have used this strategy, not because they cannot afford to fund their clubs but because they want to put in as little as possible and reap the profits. It is all about profit to them. We believe they have used the same policies at Liverpool Football Club.
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CLUB BEFORE OWNERS. We deserve better.
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GET FENWAY SPORTS GROUP OUT OF LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.
TO Fenway Sports Group, John W Henry, Tom Werner, Michael Gordon, David Ginsberg, Michael Egan and Peter Moore
We are Fenway We Come Not To Pay. We are devoted Liverpool fans from UK and Ireland and are calling for FSG to sell up. We are a group growing day by day.
In the past 7 years, FSG have shown no ambition for the club, only beefed up their investment for their big pay day. Profit before success rather than club before owners. We are falling further behind under this ownership but as long as they keep beefing up their investment while putting little or nothing back into the club, they do not care. Let us go into detail.
The Court Documents
This very much sets the tone and gives the fans an idea of what to expect of what was then named New England Sports Venture. The court documents dispels any assumption that FSG were the only option and doesn't exactly paint them in the Superman light as they are being portrayed by some of the fan base and media. FSG didn't see a distress signal from across the pond that Liverpool Football Club were in trouble. Henry didn't put on his cape, round off the rest of FSG like the Avengers or The Justice League and fly off to save us. Liverpool FC were on the cheap, they wouldn't be this cheap ever again. They saw massive potential of making a lot of money.
In emails to and from Henry and members of FSG, the words "steal", "exploit" were mentioned. You can warp the interpretation of how it was worded and try and twist the context in which it was used in all you like, but there is ABSOLUTELY no question at all that FSG saw this as an opportunity to steal a franchise, cut costs, exploit a club in trouble and branch out on their brand worldwide.
YOU, FSG DID NOT SAVE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB. The deadline was not set by RBS. It was set by Martin Broughton. Administration was something Broughton had asked the Premier League about and there was nothing to suggest that Liverpool would have gone into administration had FSG not taken us over. Had we gone into administration we would have finished one place below where we actually finished. Henry even considered letting Liverpool take a point reduction. A lot of the fan base and media run to FSG's defense and make them immune from any criticism whatsoever by saying "They saved us." This is simply not true.
The court case itself in the New York Supreme Court has been played down by certain parts of the media, but puts question marks over how Liverpool FC was sold and over whether there was some underhanded behavior seeing other bidders like Peter Lim ignored as RBS and Broughton favoured and pushed FSG's bid over the line. It had been said by Christian Purslow that FSG's bid was bottom of the barrel deal. Again this has been played down by the media after we published screenshots of the emails sent to and from John W. Henry. There was even a character assassination on Peter Lim who is now the unpopular owner of Valencia. He wouldn't have been too popular when he hired Gary and Phil Neville.
In the emails, it also shows that before even stepping inside Anfield, FSG had no intention whatsoever in building a new stadium and were happy to build a few corporate seats onto Anfield. While no one wants to leave Anfield, it seems from the start they were cutting costs and looking to reap the profits and benefits of their investment regardless of whether it benefited the club or the fan base in the long run.
Their Track Record.
If the court documents didn't prove their intentions, their track record certainly does. Before reviewing their time at Liverpool so far, the keywords used under their tenure are "moneyball", "financial fair play", "resale value" "PR" , "Transfer Committee", "potential".
We can bring up their success at Boston RedSox and harp on about that, but very little mention made anywhere with regards to Werner and the San Diego Padres and the fire sale of 1993.
You can read all about it in Hardball Times, where they describe Werner, a TV executive who was ill prepared for the reality of baseball and goes into details of such disastrous PR stunts like Rosanne Barr singing the national anthem and the fire sale of 93 where they offloaded the high earners, brought in young, cheap and potential stars which saw the manager resign and replaced with a young inexperienced manager... sound familiar?
Where do we start? There's been plenty of them. Jen Chang became Head of Communications in the Summer of 2011. His time at Liverpool was short lived and the first real blunder for FSG when Change was forced out in November 2012. His position at the club had been under scrutiny since allegations that he threatened a Liverpool supporter who had set up a high profile blog posing as a journalist @duncanjenkinsFC.
The club had to issue out an apology to Fulham when FSG affiliated website prematurely announced the signing of then transfer target Clint Demspey, FSG then refused to pay the asking price and saw Dempsey signing for Spurs instead.
The ticket price fiasco and walk out on 77 last year. The open letter and apology to the fans which didn't seem so sincere after months later Henry did an interview in New York where he said it would be unlikely that there would be further expansion of Anfield due to ticket prices. Wail till the price freeze comes off.
We have been banned from signing academy players after being found guilty of an illegal approach to a prospective youth signing at Stoke City. We have also been accused of falsifying documents at the heart of tapped-up schoolboy case.
Then you have the apology to Southampton and their fans when we were accused of approaching Virgil Van Dijk and ending our interest in the defender.
Comolli And Rodgers
Former Director of football strategy at Liverpool Damien Comolli has on several occasions let the cat out of the bag and exposed FSG and their MoneyBall restrictions on the club. Comolli had stated that the owners set transfer restrictions on the club, demanding that new signings had to be under 21 and a set budget of £8.5 million per player.
Former manager Brendan Rodgers stated in an interview on Goals on Sunday on Sky Sports the restrictions the manager was under, with the transfer committee and their policies which for a while was hidden behind the smokescreen of Financial Fair Play before those rules had been relaxed. Rodgers also stated in an interview with BT Sport, the freedom he has as Celtic manager in recruiting the players he wants even despite not having the financial pull of the Premier League.
Again, people can dismiss this as sour grapes due to how they left the club but with the facts and track record of failed signings throughout the 7 years, its all stacking up against FSG and this cannot be ignored or dismissed any longer.
The Misleading Media.
While the Main Stand is fantastic and a much needed improvement, there are questions over the information put out there in the media. First, this was an interest free loan. Then it's a 1.24% interest loan. This is not funded from cash reserves nor is it an interest free loan. No matter what way this is worded, FSG have given this loan to Liverpool to fund the Main Stand which essentially is a debt that the club has which will be paid off by us or added to the value of the club should FSG sell it off. The expansion of the Main Stand is not geared towards the average fan and more focused on high value corporate seating. This is also why FSG are stalling on further expansion of Anfield, in particular Anfield Road. Ayre mentioned that it would not be financially viable. Henry, as stated earlier mentioned that further expansion was in doubt due to the ticket price issues. It was believed that FSG only had till August this year before the planning permission on Anfield road expired, and had been reported in some media that that was the case up until recently. We emailed Liverpool City Council to get some clarity. The response was "The outline planning permission for the redevelopment of Anfield Road Stand expires on 24th August 2019, that means by that date LFC will have to either renew the outline planning consent for a further time period or submit a Reserved Matters application for determination which would include all details pertaining to redevelopment of this stand."
You would think with all the commercial and sponsorship deals on top of the TV money that this would help fund the Main Stand and go a long way to further expand Anfield.
Moving from Melwood
While the decision to move from Melwood to Kirkby was a decision long overdue, its also deemed by certain media as another feather in FSG's hat and showing that they are investing back in to the club. However, very little has been said about FSG's plans for the Melwood site and plans to build more houses have come with a lot of objection from the West Derby Society as it would put a lot of pressure on the infrastructure there. You can be sure the £50 million put in, will fast be recouped from the sale of the Melwood site not to forget the endless possibilities of commercial deals and sponsorship deals coming from Kirkby. Profit Profit Profit.
The Financial Reports
But that's not the only thing the media have misled us over. The financial report just released in March 2017. Its a nice twist of the facts and words to suit and please the fans. The media suggest that Liverpool's wage bill is higher than other premier league teams. That is not completely untrue in terms of the overall wage bill, but its not the playing and coaching staff that accounts for the biggest share of the outgoings.
The figures being reported say that Liverpool paid £208.25 million in wages during the 2015/2016 season. Manchester City's was £198 million while Arsenal was £195 million. So whats the problem I hear you say? Well nothing if you didn't delve a bit deeper.
Total Sportek paint a different story entirely. Based on figures provided by them, it puts things very much into perspective.
Weekly Players Wage Bill
1.Manchester City £2.61 million
2.Manchester Utd £2.52 million
3.Chelsea £1.92 million
4.Arsenal £1.76 million
5.Liverpool FC £1.53 million
Annual Player Wage Bill
1. Manchester City £135.72 million
2. Manchester Utd. £131.04 million
3. Chelsea £99.89 million
4.Arsenal £91.78 million
5. Liverpool FC £79.35 million
So based on these figures listed, the balance of the wages for the club is £128.9 million. Klopp's annual salary comes in at £7.5 million per year.
So what are we not being told? There's not much mention of the number of administration and commercial staff at the club in comparison to our rivals. These figures are accurate based on annual accounts of the respective clubs.
Administration/Commercial Staff Per Club
1. Liverpool - 500
2.Arsenal - 364
3.Man Utd - 206
4.Chelsea - 206
5.Man City - 170
6.Spurs - 133
And no doubt we will be adding to this with the inclusion of the "Supporters liaison group" headed by Tony Barrett in future financial reports. We have said this time and time again, FSG are only interested in the business side of this and these figures clearly prove that. While we have offloaded the high earners of the club, FSG have increased the staffing numbers by 14% in the 2015/2016 season, while the actual number of playing and coaching staff fell during the same period from 145 to 139. Where are their priorities? Aren't we a football club after all? Think about this when we are low balling potential targets into joining the club and missing out on targets because we weren't willing to pay the wage. Questions have to be asked as to why we need so many administration/commercial staff.
The Transfer Committee
Never has a club had so much scrutiny over their methods and policies of negotiating with clubs, transfer targets and negotiating new contracts with their own players than Liverpool Football Club. Football analysts, critics, writers, former Liverpool players, pundits have all criticized Liverpool for their failed policies. The list of players that could have been Liverpool players is incredible. Here's a list of just a few that we missed out on under FSG and their transfer policies.
8.Salah in 2014
Under FSG, we have developed a very bad reputation with our wheeling and dealing. Dnipro Kiev had very little compliments to make when we spent two January windows faffing about in the pursuit of Yeven Konoplyanka. Neither were Shakhtar Donestk when we were constantly bidding under the asking price for Alex Teixeira, a player who wanted to join Liverpool. Many fans have blamed previous manager Brendan Rodgers for not having the pulling power in bringing some of these top players to the club. While we have seen some shake ups and change of positions, the problems still remain, we should look at the transfer committee while Rodgers was at Liverpool.
•2 Top 4 finishes in 7 years
•1 Trophy in 7 years
•Profit in 2 consecutive transfer windows
•4 managers in 7 years
•Sell to Buy Policy/Failed Transfer policies
•Buying players with intention of getting better resale value
•Lack of depth in the squad
•£165 million in debt (loan on Main Stand)
•Debt will rise to £215 million with move to Kirkby (Gillett and Hicks debt was £237m)
•FSG have only beefed up their investment and added to value of club
•Lied over loan for Main Stand
•"Turning fans into customers" That's what they think of you.
•Ticket Price Fiasco
I could go on. Those who supported these owners believe its being a loyal fan. Those who support these owners support them as they are scared of what could have been under Gillett and Hicks and afraid of the unknown as they don't know what the other alternatives are. All the more reason for fan representation at board level. There are those who believe FSG are our saviours. I think after 7 years, we all should be a little wiser to them. No doubt, these owners will continue to make more mistakes. We as a group and our supporters are waiting no longer. We have joined other Liverpool supporters against FSG, and this group is in its thousands and gaining momentum throughout the globe. We want FSG to sell up. We will protest. We will bring negative attention on the owners until they do. This will not be confided to social media.
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