SAW FILE MANUFACTURERS:  Please make quality files for sharpening Handsaws

SAW FILE MANUFACTURERS: Please make quality files for sharpening Handsaws

    1. Petition by

      Brett Gregory


So that Woodworkers and Saw Makers can once more sharpen their hand saws, like they used to be able to when quality Saw Files were still being made.

IMPORTANT PREAMBLE: If you do not have a current or future interest in Saw Files then i would prefer that you didn't add to the Petition. This is so that I can claim to the manufacturer of choice that the Petition has integrity, and that all the signatures are potential customers (directly or indirectly). The best way to show that you have a genuine interest is to add a comment of substance.

The Petition:
1. I am a Woodworker who sharpens hand saws.
2. Saw files are different to normal files because the majority of the work is done by the edges/corners on a very thin piece of very hard saw plate.
3. I am frustrated with the current quality of Saw Sharpening files.
4. The quality of files for this purpose seems to have dropped off a cliff in recent years, with manufacturers of previously good quality files sending their manufacturing to countries of lower labour rates, where little or no Quality Control takes place, and even less care.
5. It now extremely difficult (or impossible) to purchase a file that will actually do the job required, and last for any more than a few strokes. Either the file teeth on the edges snap off, rendering the file utterly useless, or the file is softer than the saw plate itself, which means that file is ground down by the saw!

In particular, I would like to see the following:
1. Appropriate good quality steel be used to make the file blanks.

2. Smooth grinding of the file blanks before tooth cutting so that the teeth do not have deep scratches running across them.

3. Properly cut edges/corners of the files.

4. Correct radius of the file edges to be formed. This is most critical when filing very fine saw teeth.

5. Correct hardening and tempering to be done after tooth forming of the files. The hardness should be 60-62 Rockwell. Harder than that makes the edges too brittle, and softer than that makes the file wear out too quickly.

6. Proper Quality Control so that bent or inferior files are not sent to market.

7. Straight Tangs that are centred to the longitudinal axis of the file, so that the file can be properly inserted in the handle of my choice, and remain balanced in my hand during use.

8. The correct taper be formed on the file blank. This is a taper that starts at the shoulder and continues down to the toe of the file. The taper angle for the shoulder half of the file should be 0.5° per edge, and for the toe half of the file it should increase to 1° per edge. This is the way that the great saw files of the past were produced.

Petitioners can send an email to stating the size of files that are used, and the quantities per year consumed. If you are not sure of the file size then state the Saw Teeth Per Inch counts of your saws (you must specify tpi or ppi for your counting method – this is not critical for fine tooth saws, but it is paramount for coarse saws).

This data will be presented to a manufacturer as evidence of the huge demand for good files, and to show them how much business is waiting to be tapped on the shoulder.


Please make quality files for sharpening Handsaws

[Your name]

Recent signatures


    1. Reached 500 signatures
    2. We might just be getting somewhere

      Brett Gregory
      Petition Organizer

      Thank you all for signing the Saw Files Petition.

      I had a very interesting talk with one of the manufacturers in France last night. They already produce a range of "nearly there" Saw files (I knew this), and really only need some adjustments & include some Double Extra Slim Files to have a TOP NOTCH RANGE.

      The main thing they need to correct is the taper, and corner radius consistency on the smallest files (sometimes excellent, sometimes no good). I have developed other tools with this manufacturer, and the latest is their new range of Floats for Planes and Joinery. This will increase to a range of 12-15 Floats in the coming months.

      The most important thing to come out of the conversation is that they will be very responsive to public demand (i.e. Petition Signatures).

      post a link to this petition & give it some publicity on your Woodwork Forum(s) of choice, or your own Website/Blog.



    3. Reached 50 signatures


    Reasons for signing

    • Ryan Grimm PLYMOUTH, MA
      • 4 months ago

      I have found sharpening saws to be frustrating and difficult due to the poor quality of the files I have available to me.

      A continuous search of flea markets and yard sales for old files and their related tools is a tedious project at best, and considering that I can wear out a file on one say in a major resharpening (due to the old steel), I search for a better answer.

      PLEASE oh PLEASE do your best on this, as we need them.

    • Doug Givney AUSTRALIA
      • 4 months ago

      For many years I have not been able to source quality files capable of doing a satisfactory job of sharpening a handsaw, particular ly the finer pitch ones. Files available currently are poorly made, wear too quickly and generally perform poorly right from the first pass. I would pay good money for quality files.

    • Peter McKinlay AUSTRALIA
      • 5 months ago

      Handsaws should not be a disposable item. Improve the quality of saw files so we can continue using quality saws, not plastic-handled, induction-hardened junk.

    • Liam Scanlan POOLE, UNITED KINGDOM
      • 5 months ago

      We pay for good toos and need to be able to maintain them with good tools!

      • 5 months ago

      Wish to buy quality saw but uncertain about maintaining it without decent files.


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