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Jill Ziltran
beverly hills, CA
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Jill commented on the article |I thought everything god created was perfect?
THAT is the screwed up logic that gets us into these messes in the first place. The whole god concept is the problem.
Why insist on believing in god when all these crap views come from the teachings? And don't give me that nonsense about god is love (he is not, you have clearly not read the bible if you believe that).
Its a fantasy thats incompatible with reality.
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>The ad doesn't seem to be advocating that people should lose weight for the sake of personal image (which is a stupid reason to do so, and offensive because being overweight does not make anyone less beautiful), nor does it say that being is skinny is a good thing (which it isn't).
ORLY? Disagree on all counts.
Said obese person might be a beautiful person, and is valued, but beautiful person and beautiful body, they are different things. And implying that a beautiful body has no value is pathetic.
And to say obese person is healthy, that's just ridiculous. And yes I'm sorry to say, being skinny is more healthy. As in, you live longer. Period. Look up caloric restriction (CR) - its the only way we've found so far that has been proven to increase lifespan and reduce incidence of cancer, heart disease, etc. Its just a fact. I know facts don't make people feel all good inside about their obesity, but that's just too bad. Science knows obesity = death, and actually most of the public seems to know it too. So don't delude yourself.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Jill commented on the article |
I wasn't replying to your post, I was replying to Sarah McConahey who used the word exploited. Sorry for the confusion. I am certain I am not projecting anything, and that's an awfully weird conclusion to come to when you could have just hit CTRL-F and searched the document for 'exploit'. You are projecting my supposed projection.
People do come in all shapes and sizes. Especially people who consume more calories than they burn. Those people come in plus sizes.
I have no problem with anyone based on their size, its not about the person its about what they are doing. Weight is just one of the most conspicuous forms of resource wasting. People clearly are being victimized by everything around them, in this hypersexualized, consumption driven society. My suggestion is to turn it off and take control over your life.
Clearly the only ways for business, especially agribusiness, to make more profit from a limited population of people is to a) make the food more cheaply b) make people consume more and more of it. Hence, bad nutrition and obesity.
Yes, we can lay much of the blame on advertising - it clearly has an effect. So, its advertising's fault. But who cares whose fault the obesity epidemic is? The question is, whose *responsibility* is maintaining your weight at a healthy level? Yours.
If you don't, I don't care on a personal level. Your choice. But in the aggregate, yes I care. You all can take it personally but if it makes you feel better, its not about you. Its about obesity everywhere, especially the US. Its a huge problem and all the whining about 'oh i have big bones, a disability, a thyroid problem', yes that's all probably true and really none of my business. But this society always holding up 'personal feelings' as the most important things is stupid, unhealthy, selfish, and ultimately will lead to our downfall as a society.
I'm talking about the world we're handing to our kids, not your feelings as an overweight person. Your kids. We're taking a limited, polluting resource from the perpetually politically unstable places, feeding terrorism and religious extremism to feed our hunger for more and more. We turn it into fertilizers and plastics to feed our gaping maws and to give us cheap products. It leeches out into the water, kills our fish and pollutes all the water, everywhere. It makes us fat and complacent and dull.
Really what we are doing is stealing from the future, from our children, in order to make ourselves fat and happy now.
Obesity = Cheap Calories = Cheap Energy = Oil.
Obesity is a national security issue.
Sometimes the truth hurts. So what? We're spending way too much time hiding ourselves from the truth, medicating away reality with drugs, drinks, or food, and taking no responsibility for anything. Again, who cares whose *fault* it is? Its your *responsibility*.
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Jill commented on the article |
What is exploitive about using naked women in the ads? Clearly they want to be in the ads. (I know some of these people, they were not forced into it) Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean THEY don't like it. Isn't that how you define if someone is being exploited? Or is it the kind of thing where YOU define what exploitation is for everyone else?
Some people like naked bodies, some people like showing them, some people like using them to push their agenda. If you don't like it, its your problem, not theirs.
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Jill commented on the article |
"However, people don't always know what is IN the food they are eating, and that is a greater cause for alarm"
Which is the greater cause for alarm, that there are unknown chemicals in our food, or that people don't know about these chemicals? Personally the greater cause for alarm I feel is the ignorance. Its systemic - and its not just about food.
But - where its not ignorance, what is it? You and I both know these facts you just told me, and I've known it about as long as I can remember. You probably have too.
I'm most worried about a worldview, definitely perpetuated and indeed created by the industries selling to us. Maximum profit for minimum cost which translates to minimum value. They make us feel bad psychologically and physically, make us dumb and helpless. You know, like children, and like victims.
So, you're right. Its *not* your fault. Its your *responsibility*.
I think its pretty important if you are going to cite studies that you back them up with something like a link or any evidence at all, really.
The population is getting heavier because of a system that takes artificially cheap energy and sells it to us in various forms. Its kept cheap by subsidies and tax breaks. Those pay for the wars to keep the access open. The extra weight is, as you know, stored energy. Where did that energy come from? The sun, in the form of oil. We take out the oil, convert it into fertilizer, spray it on the fields, the sun provides energy to grow them, then we burn oil for energy to harvest the crop and get it into our mitts. We have far too much and so its accumulating around our midsections.
We are really eating the future.
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Jill commented on the article |
Yes, I'm *sure* there's something other than consuming more calories than you burn. Let me think of what that could be... hmmm I'm sure its something completely different than having to take any personal responsibility whatsoever. Definitely someone else to blame.
Having a victim mentality turns you into a victim.
How about those girls who sued McDonalds for making them fat? Come on. Yes we have far too much crappy food, too skillfully advertised, but there is still a point where you need to take personal responsibility.
If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. if you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. Chemicals could certainly screw up the rate at which you burn calories, but guess what, exercise increases that rate. There is no magic here.
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Jill commented on the article |Why are people's 'feelings' the most important thing in the world?
The amount of time that was spent discussing this you could have done some real good in the world.
What are we supposed to call fat people? And WHY? So we can further paper over the reality of the situation and let the obesity epidemic continue?
This is the first time in modern history where the average age people live will actually DECLINE.
That's reality. People feeling fine with their obesity, well that's nice and all, but its stupid.
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Jill commented on the article |
So you can't criticize people for their weight or dietary choices, even in the aggregate? You all seem to think that feelings are the most important thing. How about some reality?
Is that the worst thing you could do, hurt someone's feelings? This planet is *collapsing*, did you know this? And yet the majority of the population is twice as heavy as they need to be, consuming vast resources in terms of land, food, and of course oil, which causes further collapse of the ecosystem sustaining us all.
What if the woman in the billboard was a man?
Hurtful acts? Are you joking? It's going to hurt when the sea levels rise and there's billions of people homeless and starving because we're all a bunch of greedy pigs.
"People have to come to that choice on their own" - what are you talking about? You can't educate people? We have to sit silently by while people consume the entire planet and our children live shorter lives than we do - as long as we can say "Oh but I didn't hurt anyones feelings! I didn't try to change anyone's mind! Good for me! I was completely inoffensive my entire life!"
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