Vegans are not misguided. They are great. They are not however the only people on the earth. It almost sounds like the vegans on this post are narrow minded, only accepting their own "facts", :beliefs", "world view" as being true. Surely I am wrong. It takes a lot of intelligence and heart to be a vegan. How coulld they be so unaccepting of others who are just living as the omnivors they were created to be. I must have been reading it wrong. It sounds as if those who consider themselves advanced, hate those who haven't been so blessed to advance. If veganism is so holy,( excuse me I think I am supposed to say morally correct.) maybe a good example of it would be a stronger witness than derision by a bunch of AR elitist.( excuse me I meant mainstreamers.) Maybe it would be mainstream if these blogs were covered with compassionate understanding that not all humans have the same capacity for understanding as you, rather than name calling, demonizing ridiculus arguements between people who are all for the most part "part of the solution", rather than part of the problem. And for the poster above who said that pigs were sweet gentle animals: put your guinee pig in its cage and go out to a non factory farm, step inside the pig pen with a big pink sow or boar annd then come on back and write us a post about the sweet gentleness of pigs.
Call it what you will. You can define me out of whatever you want. I am advocating for what I belief to be animal rights. You are advocating for your definition of it. I'll keep up my education campaign you are welcome to keep up yours.
It is disturbing that many of you believe that you are the arbitor of who is ARA and who isn't. Stephanie takes offense at being outed as not being ARA by one member then a few lines down outs me as not ARA.
I do believe that the blame for the removal of top predators has more to do with farmers and soccer moms than it does hunters. Most hunters that I know want the top predators back in nature and mourn the loss of them. It is the suburbanite that doesn't want a bear in their back yard. I would love to see it in mine. It is the farmer that doesn't want a bear to kill their calvesor trample their crops, so that they can kill the calves and sell them to non vegetarians out there.
I and many others also believe that the top predators in nature are actually man not bears,wolves, gators etc. If this is a discussion group then I believe that there is room for my "arguement" if that is what it should be called.
If I am going to eat meat(which I am), I am also going to kill that meat and I am not going to apologize for doing it. I am not a vegetarian. I do eat what I kill. Many are right that their are sport hunters out there and I also find that to be reprehensible. I do not kill caged/fenced animals and I do not bait them with attractants. In my opinion that is not hunting. And again I must state that all hunters are not the same. We are not monolithic.
To L C eho posted
"And how would hunters know who is sick & who isn't? Do you hunters have x-ray vision that we don't?Do you know that you kill mothers & leave the babies to starve to death?Or when you don't get them with one hit & they run off only 2 die a horrible, agonizing death?Oh yes, that sounds just like an ARA and a environmentalist with sound judgement and good merit."
Response: Yes LC many of us are able to tell which animals are sick/ill. When you spend the amount of time in nature that I do you actually get to know the specific animals that inhabit the area. It doesn't require x-ray vision. It does require a little thought. I can also look at my child and tell if they are sick. I'd imagine that even you posses this level of skill. Each animal has its own personality. Some deer are bossy,some are gentle. Some are itching for a fight. Some nurture their young. You get to know how each individual is acting and how they interact with their community. Nature is so amazing. Id' bet you'd really like to be out doing that. You are welcome to draw a line at which you withdraw your participation from the hunt. It is awesome to witness two bucks locking horns. They fight a few feet from you. Their are does in the balance. I don't believe that every person should hunt or participate in the killing of animals. That would be foolish of me. It would be an extreme if I felt that way. But it would be great if more people had seen that in real life.
For the ones that have more feelings towards animals than people. I must commend you on your feelings concerninng animals but, It is frightening to know that you can seperate yourselfs from an human enough that you do not hurt for the loss of life. Maybe you didn't think about what you said. Because if you had really felt that way...wow thats scary.
It is sad that most of the commentors have demonized hunting and hunters. I am an active hunter, environmentalist, animal rights activist, recycling, liberal organic gardner.I really hope that all of the other commenters are good gardners otherwise you will be a real tax on society when wal-mart fails. It is wonderful that your hearts hurt when you see an animal abused or mistreated or wiped off of the face of the earth. That is a part of what makes you human.
Sterphanie I am not disconnected from the kill when I take an animal. I would venture to say that not many hunters are. It affects me psycologically, emotionally, and physically. It has the same effects on most other hunters. I do not take the killl lightly. I am highly skilled with weapons. This is to minimize the suffering of the animals.
Kristen, You should be ashamed by what you said. It is easy to demonize people when they are one-dimensional, unfeeling, indoctrinated, less than intelligent, killers.
To all. It scares me that there is no discernable difference between a hunter that kills to provide food for his family and a poacher slaughtering an elephant to steal the ivory off of his face leaving the body to rot. It does not help your cause to alienate the hunter. Most of us are more interested in preserving the animal populations than destroying them. Kills are selective not indiscriminate. Without hunters, animals die from starvation caused by overpopulation. Most of the hunters that I know are highly concerned with the health of the animals they hunt. Most are active participants in the preservation of the species and habitat that they seek. I would venture to say that their "brute" actions have a more positive and direct impact on the environment than most liberal feelings ever have.
Please take the risk of connecting with a good hunter today. It is not to late for "the left" to realize that they need the support of the actual stewards of the land in order to accomplish their goals of protecting species and environment. We are not less than human with distorted psychology any more than you are.
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