The nativist ethos is clearly rooted in fear and a scarcity consciousness which can only doom the human race in the long run.
Now I'm going to disagree with you here. As I've been labeled by your group as a nativist, I don't think my ethos is rooted in fear it is rooted in I don't want illegals as my neighbors because they bring down my neighborhood. Chicken fighting, loud Banda music, elloteros screaming that they are selling corn all day long and a cars on cement blocks is what I fear in my neighborhood. You can say all day long that it is my ignorace that is the problem. I'm not a bad person for not voing to import mass poverty. I'm not against you and yours. im just for me and mine. I hope they treat you decently when they show you to the door.
sorry it is PALETAS they scream not balls. :-)
My point is I see your compassion as ignorance. Our government has to put the responsiblity of care of the mexican people where the responsiblity belongs the Mexican Government not on the State of California. What are the stats of illegal immigrants in New Jersy 200k or something? once it gets to 2 million and you see your neighborhood with the look and feel of a mexican bario it gets a little old. Anyone screem at the top of their lungs outside you home selling tamales? Try that at 9:am TAMALES!!!! TAMALES!!! TAMALES!!! then when they are gone a few hours later ELOTE!!! ELOTE!!! ELOTE!!! someone comes by selling corn.. screeming this all day. No noise ordinance in Mexico, apparently you can screem and blast your music or anything else all hours of he night. At night it is PELOTAS PEOLOTAS icecream man is riding a cart through with his ice cream. It is someone screeming thorugh your neighborhood at all hours. Then another strange thing is that they don't know from spading your dogs. So you will see ferrel dogs running rampant some nursing all over the place. these rough looking dogs don't usually hurt anyone as they are skidish but someone is bringing in dogs and then kicking them out and they form pack of other dogs and they run the neighborhood and sometimes it can be scarry getting out of your car becuase you don't know. so your first answer of how many illegals live in your neighborhood of "I don't know" i'm going to guess the answer is zero to none. If they were in your neighborhood, you would know.
How many illegals do you live next to Mr. Pearson? Do you have 1 bedroom apartments that have 6-10 people living in it that change all the time ALL around you? do you have people with out cars that use shopping carts as cars and park 2 or 3 carts in your yard a week? You ever been hit and go out to talk to the driver and they don't speak english then when you go to get your insurance they take off? Search hit and run with illegal. How many rolling black outs do you have because your population growth exploded faster than your infrasructure can support. Do you have water shortages like we do? more people equals less quality of life. how many people can you fit into your house before it becomes disfunctional? it is a finite number you know. Look at the lady who love cats and has 100 cats in her house. at some point it is no longer a humane issue to take in more cats. at some point she has to redirect them to other locations for the health and resources of the cats already there. they will collapse. it is a mathmatical certanty. 6 billion people on the planet. they can't all migrate to the US.?
What is the foundation of law? What is the foundation for determining what is or is not ethical? What is the source for determining what is or is not moral?
Go to a local community college and you can sit and ponder these philosophy questions ad nasium. what is moraity and who decides.. text books will give you the pro's and cons. it was borring in class and it is borring on this thread. I have no intrest to read your dry posts. The rest of us have to actually live in the community, and we have a problem. This is a numbers game. it wasn't a problem when the illegals were in the millions. they snuck in, stayed under the wire and went unnoticed. now they are noticed and are being told they don't belong here and they have to go back to their own country. If they can't they can go to canada and bring their ray of sunshine up there. Canada has tons of room up in that empty quarter up in the north. why is it they all have to all congragate in my neighborhood.. disperse
Mark, have you ever heard of a country that didn't restrict how many foreigners come into their land. I mean if there aren't any restrictions that have to prevent a takeover. That was where we were heading pre 911. I still haven't heard any of the anti Americans come up with a finite number on how many is enough so that we are seen as a compassionate society. If we take in 20 million would that be enough? If we take in 20 million they by law could bring in 40 million. If we let mothers and fathers come in, they have to bring in all of their family or else we are still mean, nativists. America needs to stay the course.
Different mentality from Mexicans and Americans. You can't shame the mexicans into forcing them to accept the illegal Salvadorians or Guatamalans into their culture. You know what they will tell you if you call them a racist because they don't allow them into their culture, they'll tell you go to hell. This is where the grassroots efforts should be based. If someone has as strong indignaiton for unjustice as they want us to believe why wouldn't they be demonstrating here. It would seem they an agenda rather then fighting for the downtroden. Lots of down troden in Mexico that need a loud voice. This article is kinda old, but i doubt much has changed. Apparently kids can't go to school in mexico if they don't have a passport and illegals are rounded up in hospitals. where is the outcry?
I will tell you why I visit this site. My parents were from the 60's. Flower children who believed that if we all just got along and brought in ever stray dog off the street we would creat a utopia society for our children. the city of seattle convinced my parents that it would be benevolent of them to send their young children from the suburbs over to the inner city urban area of seattle.(the slums) in this utopia world the suburban kids would be bussed and mix and influence the poor children and the tide would raise all the boats. Well we were bussed as children from our homes and the democrats believed by doing this we would make a nice little society. Well can you now looking back think of anything wrong with sending your children to the worst neighborhoods in your area so that the disadvantaged will rub shoulders with the advantaged. My parents though we were going to school with the cosby kids. We were going to school with American me kids. It was rough. but it was only 2 years and i lived and saw a different life that i would not have staying in my neighborhood. I wouldn't send my kids there, but that is water undre the bridge. So now, i'm a mom and I have my kids. Guess what I am being told now. that it is a great advantage for me to send my kids to school with the less advantage illegals kids. I've heard your songs dems and seen this dance. You could fool my parents, but you don't fool ME!
wow that was a good post.
to be talking out of both sides of your mouth just like any other politician. The burden is not us to please bullies and racists
Bullies and racists! that had me laugh out loud. you wanna see bullies and racists, come down to my old neighborhood in LA on rampart street and look at the Mara Salvatruca gang members or the 18th street gangs. you tell me, who is the bully and racists. the american who is frustrated that his neighborhood is turing to a thrird world country or the people who come here, sneak in, try and take everything they can from this country, send it home and laugh at the stupid gavachos. Your assumptuntion that the american naitvists are mean because we don't want to live like people in mexico. i dont want a replica of a mexican neighborhood rebuilt next to me doesn't make me an evil person. We have worked to hard, to give our children better, then to put up with living next to generational ignorance and poverty. Your sence of intitlement is amusing.