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  • The Swedish Model: Criminalizing the Buyer
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    Did we forget that legal prostitutes still need money to?  IOt's not like they can just give up walk away so only the trafficked ones can get picked up however long that takes.  If most prostitutes had a betrer option for work im sure they would take it.. Just like 90% of the rest of the people that work at whatever they do.  I don't think Isha even think about anything she says.  I guess it just sounds good at that moment for her.

  • The Swedish Model: Criminalizing the Buyer
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    Our American forefathers were ignorant and knew practically nothing about American indians, except what has been romanticized and outright made up.  you would be better off reading a modern study of American indian societies than to take a qoute from Thomas jefferson who on the subject of indians was ignorant at best.

    BTW alot of indian tribes were matriarchal in structure as the men were out on the hunt or warpath, the women handled the politics.  As stated before though there were hundreds if not thousaands of different tribes and it is aso ignorant to assume they all followed the same rules.

  • The Swedish Model: Criminalizing the Buyer
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    "Catherine: In general, the person buying sex has more power than the person selling it. (There are always exceptions.) And I believe it is inethical to not consider power imbalances inherent in situations in writing legislation."

    This is the same when i hire someone to clean my toilets.  Let's make a law against that.  Basically tehre is a power inbalance when I have somethign and you want something from me.  In order to get it you will have to pay me for it or work for it.  Is it really that hard to understand?

  • The Swedish Model: Criminalizing the Buyer
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    exactly!

  • The Swedish Model: Criminalizing the Buyer
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    The swedish model still supposes that all prostitution is somehow violence directed against a woman.  This is far from the typical case.  We all agree that human trafficking is terrible.  Human trafficking can be violent and likely in most cases it is.  Prostitution is not human trafficking it is a means by which criminal elements obtain future prostitutes.  It is however, not prostitution.  Sometimes prostitutes are abused.  Sometimes spouses are abused. 

    The swedish in my opinion is just another way to perpetuate the bullshit argument that prostitution somehow makes the seller a victim.  NO.. the seller is a victim if they are a slave.  the seller is a victim if they are abused.  The seller is not a victim i what they sell is sex.

    At least in teh swedish system women can report violence against them without fear of the police.  I doubt that the swedish model would do anythign to decrees demand for prostitutes here because men already go to jail, loose thier cars, and get labeled sex offenders and they are still buying.  If you take away the penalty for the women you still have the same penallty for the man (It can't get much worse cause, lets face it about the only thing worse than being jailed, loosing your wealth, car, family, and dignity is being dead[maybe that can be better]).  So nothing would change except that the women could report abuse. 

    What needs to change is our attitudes toward this subject. 

    THERE ARE PROSTITUTES THAT ARE HAPPY & TRUELY ENJOY THIER WORK(either for the compensation or some other thrill). 

    THERE ARE PROSTITUTES THAT HATE THIER JOBS BUT DO IT CAUSE ITS TEH BEST JOB THEY ARE AWARE THAT TEHY CAN DO.... THATS LIKE THE GUY THAT CLEANS PORTA POTTIES.  DO YOU THINK HE/SHE LOVES HIS JOB? NO BUT IT'S THE BEST JOB HE/SHE IS AWARE THAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE MONEY THEY NEED TO LIVE."

    THERE ARE SOME PROSTITUTES THAT ARE VICTIMS Of SLAVEY, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, AND PHYSICAL ABUSE.. JUST AS THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PROSTITUTES THAT ARE ALSO VICTIMS OF THESE THINGS.

    SO DO YOU THINK THAT PROSTITUTION ITSELF IS WRONG OR THE THINGS YOU CLAIM GO WITH IT? 

    Amanda, in face of no better option than prostituting yourself what would be your next best option?  Don't you think the women that don't want to be prostitutes but need the money for whatever reason have teh right to do what they need to then be faced with doing something worse than prostitution?

  • "It's The Oldest Profession" and Other Bullshit Excuses for Inaction
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    It seems obvious to me that this is mearly about inflicting your moral views on others.  Trying to portray this as a human traficking argument is foolish.  I doubt anyone is for human traffcicing but you dont speak against human trafficing when its used to make your clothes labeledwith made in the usa.  You dont speak against human trafficking when its the wealthy family keeping unpaid or massively underpaid servants.  you dont speak against human trafficking when its being used to make your cheap goods for department stores.  You dont speak against human trafficking when it results in you getting what you want at a cheap price.  I am against all forms of human trafficking.  But a 20 year old girl having trouble paying her college tuition and decides to "hook" a few days a week to make up the difference is not the same thing.  This is the case of a person whos finances dont work out, who is willing to perform her CHOSEN work.  I think most of your issues come from personal insecurities.  If you dont like men and feel all sex is violence against woman then your viewpoint is obviously so biases as to be pointless.  If your concerned that your husband/befriend will be taking up these services, make sure he doenst feel the need top.  If your worried about your daughters participating, raise them well and support them.  Enforcing your morality doesnt help anyone.  It just makes the lives of others more difficult.  If a woman needs to do this to provide for her children, or go to college, or pay for anything else she may need(or yes in some cases because she enjoys it) that is her decision.  Just as the man who feels he needs to pay for sex, or just wants to meet his sexual needs without playing any games on dates with you, that is his (poor) choice.  When a group of people spend there time trying to tell others what to do you can guarantee that there own house is not in order.  Ger yourself put together,  Get your own life straight, get your priorities in order,  then you may find a way to be happy with yourself without having to find other people persecute.

  • "It's The Oldest Profession" and Other Bullshit Excuses for Inaction
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    Look, if someone is a crack whore and they whore themselves for thier drug of choice they are not a slave.  They are offering a service to get something they want.  That's not slavery or human trafficking that is called working for something that you want.

  • "It's The Oldest Profession" and Other Bullshit Excuses for Inaction
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    as a rukle 90% of people hate thier jobs.  Don't confuse someone not liking the only option they can think of to get by and the things they need in other words "work" with slavery or abuse.

  • "It's The Oldest Profession" and Other Bullshit Excuses for Inaction
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    The entire paragraph is this.

    "Many prostitutes have nothing at all to do with human trafficking and are participating in the act either because they have no better option or they honestly enjoy thier work and the compensation they recieve.  In the U.S. that likely covers most prostitutes. 


    You used half of a sentence to misrepresent what I said completely out of context.  This is another example of your bullshit tactics.

  • "It's The Oldest Profession" and Other Bullshit Excuses for Inaction
    X commented on the article | over 2 years ago

    lol yeah I misinterpreted something.. your right lol we are both arguing the same point.  my appologies.

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