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  • Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?

     Bill,


    Biological predetermination and freedom of choice are exact opposites. How do you justify believing both at the same time? That's like having your cake and eating it too. If all of your other beliefs are based on the freedom of choice ideology, why not go all the way? Is being gay really that difficult that you just cannot say, yes, this is what I choose, so get over it! I just don't understand why the GLBT group even cares about what other people think. Why the need to be so accepted by such a totally different group? They will never fully understand, so why the push to justify who you are? Get the strength to stand up and say, "This is my choice!", and get away from the excuse of, "I don't have a choice because I was born different."


    As for support groups, of course, make available real help to ALL, the entire spectrum, but not by force. Again, well stated. Are there really people who still think force works? Not sure how those techniques can be called help... Yes, we do agree on that.


    Here's a thought experiment, tell me what you think. If sexual preference was indeed found to be 100% biological as you suggest, then proved scientifically, and pinpointed to the exact gene that caused individuals to deviate from the norm, would you be supportive of searching for a biological choice for change? Not something like the "change groups" you describe, but a simple pill or procedure that changes a person to be like the majority. And, if they did go ahead and do the research, and found a way to offer people that choice, would you be interested in learning more about it? Be careful how you answer, it tells a lot about how you think...

  • California Has a History of Destroying Same-Sex Marriage
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    California Has a History of Destroying Same-Sex Marriage

    loan,


    I'm not really sure what you are referring to in my post. My first post has absolutely nothing to do with history. It points out four inappropriate adjectives used by the writer in half a sentence in the article. These were used without presentation of evidence. For example, the first one I mentioned is the use of the adjective "false" to describe those European standards. The article does not tell the standards or why they are "false", or untrue. The accusation was made with no details or proof to back it up. No argument at all as to why the writer thinks they are false, the reader doesn't even know what standards are being discussed. Are you able to answer this from the information provided in the article? No, you are not, because it does not exist. Whether its a fair assessment in your opinion or not is irrelevant. The writer is not writing objectively and has allowed his personal bias to color the Europeans in a negative light, and the gay Indians in a positive light. It would have been fine if he would have backed up his beliefs with details and an argument of why he thinks they are false. Read the post again in this new light and I think you will come away understanding why I wrote it.

  • Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?

    Michael,


    What is there to know about it that pertains to this discussion? No, I'm not familiar with him. I do know there have been several who have tried to draw conclusions from research data to either argue for or against both viewpoints. Also, many have looked for the gene that predetermines a tendency to one preference or the other, but I don't think that has been found, has it?


    Again, I'm not an expert. This is just my guess based on my core beliefs. I realize they run contrary to other people's beliefs. But I do believe there is only one right answer, either we have a choice, or we don't. I think the correct answer is we are given power over our own destiny, by having a choice. Do you believe different? If so, what specifically is it that convinces you? Is it the Kinsey scale?

  • Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?

    Will,


    Yes, finally some common sense. I agree that the world is full of an entire range of individuals, not so black and white as some here would have you believe. My opinion is I don't think anyone should be forced into anything, wether that is going gay to straight, or straight to gay, unless of course they want to. That is one reason I think there SHOULD be some support groups for these people also. Why should only the large groups get to have access to help and support? Maybe those driven to suicide, mentioned earlier, fall into some category in between; biology points them into one direction, but their environment, or something else, could cancel that out leaving them open to either choice. After all, isn't the B in GLBT for bisexual, someone who is interested in both genders? Don't they prove the black and white philosophy of "one or the other, no choice" to be incorrect at least part of the time? You know, maybe they are people in a new group, misunderstood by heterosexuals, and mostly rejected by the GLBT group because they don't fit the standard profile. This just seems logical to me, I've not done any research, but it seems likely there is more gray area than people realize. I get the impression from the majority of posters here that the GLBT community has become the one thing they historically blamed others of; being rigid, judgmental, and un-accepting of others who are not just like them.


    To be clear, helpful support, yes. And no, not a "mission to facilitate." You stated that well.


    I think you may get some arguments from the community by stating, "As long as a person changes their sexual orientation, OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL, I see no problem with it." That is very open minded of you, and shows you have security in who you and the choices you have made for your life by not judging yourself against others. You are a strong person indeed, at least in my book.


    So, what were the other points you did not agree with? Reading back through my posts, I think I stayed on that one point.


    Mind if I ask, why the change of heart? Your previous post had quite a different tone, me being the spokesperson for hate and all that...

  • Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?

    Orgullo,


    You must be the freak in the group, everyone else says you should have "just known" at age nine or earlier...


    Just curious, what made you finally CHOOSE to try out the alternative? Not after one woman, not after two, but rather it took a few? How many is a few, if you don't mind me getting personal...


    Other posters,


    How can this guy have gotten so confused if its so clear cut and everyone "just knows" at such an early age, as posted earlier in this thread?


    I think this group would acuse Orgullo of not really being gay since you don't fit their logic. Therein lies the danger of their ideology, you end up trying to fit others into or out of the box you created for yourself. In the end, you end up hurting more people by telling them they have to be and act a certain way...


    So, we come back to my original statement, "stop trying to take away the choices of others...", it hurts people.

  • Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?

    Who?

  • Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Does CNN Think We Can Cure Homosexuality?

    Will,


    Good for you! Many of those comments I can respect. Once again, I have no problem with you being gay. If you believe you were born gay, great. Its great you are happy with who you are.


    Where you screwed up is when you said you represent all gay people in this statement, "Being gay is not something you "grow out of"..." Are you really trying to tell me your experience is the same as every other gay person? Not buying it any more than I could convince you I know how every straight person developed. Why were you different than those "driven to suicide?" Is that not part of the "born with it" mantra? You get to pick and choose, or rather not choose, what you are born with? You're gay because you believe you are gay. How dare you take that away from another person? If a gay person decides they would like to change and live, think, and act in a different way, who are you to tell them they can't? Talk about holding people down... I'm not sure why that makes gay people's blood boil. It totally wouldn't bother me if someone said they wanted to go from straight to gay... The hypocrisy is quite unbelievable.


    One question, maybe this will clear up some things in my understanding. Can you think of any other thing you are born with that you absolutely have no choice about that forces you to make such one sided choices in behavior similar to homosexuality? I just can't think of anything. I hold the belief that individuals contain the power to overcome anything. But, if what you are saying is true, it must not be the same for gay people. That would be so sad for me to accept...

  • Speaking Science to the Public
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Speaking Science to the Public

    Science guy telling the world about global warming:


     


    We took some measurements, and things are getting hotter. Yes, we thought for a while it was getting colder, but no, that was wrong. So, all those things we predicted that would happen once the cold arrived, forget about it. Its getting hotter. After our new measurements, we are now ready to predict the future, again. It will continue to get hotter. Hotter is bad, worse that cold. Hotter means terrible things will happen to the weather. No, you will not like any of these things, they are all bad. We feel giving specifics might discredit us again, so feel free to just use your imagination to scare the heck out of yourself. Oh yeah, we have found a solution. Taxes. Or, maybe just way more government. We're not completely sure, but we'll try both just in case. You know, so we can keep you safe, and all the children... OK, that's enough, I think you get it.


    So here's what I don't understand... Why fight the earth? Humans can evolve, right? That whole tadpole-to-whale-to-monkey-to-man thinking is what we all believe, right? If we really do, isn't this warming thing just evolution at work? You know, part of the natural process to make us better, stronger, faster... Or, was that Steve Austin? I digress... Why would we ever want to go back down the evolutional ladder? Fight against Mother Earth? That would be crazy! We know full well she has done this before, and it most definitely lead to our being here, right? What if some stupid trees came up with some way to stop the change in temperature way back then, where would we be now? Lets not be so arrogant as to think we can stop this evolution train. Do you really think you can get six billion people to agree on anything? Here is my prediction. This is based on the information from scientific research. At some point the world can't support the growth of the human race. The only way some will survive and go on, is if many will die. War, famine, disease... whatever. The strong will survive. No need to fret, evolution is just doing its thing.


    The funny thing is none of this really matters, none of us will be around to argue who was right.

  • Speaking Science to the Public
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    Speaking Science to the Public

    Eric,


    Its all about the history of science in general, there is just no record of credibility. Let me give a fictitious illustration to make my point. I just snorted a scientifically well tested drug up my nose to correct my allergy symptoms. Ten years from now, will I regret doing that? Will this un-named drug be proven to harm me like so many others in the past? The problem is we are made safety guarantees, ensured its been fully tested, its good for us... then another scientific study proves it causes cancer.


    I'm sure you see where this is headed, because that is just one small chemical formulation of just a few elements. Now imagine taking this fictitious story to the size of the entire world. Not only are we talking about using every single element known to man, but literally, every single particle! Let's not even factor in the other "stuff" in our solar system, or even anything else in the entire universe for that matter (or antimatter)! Now, here's the way the story goes. This is what we are being told, the way I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong. Warning, satire ahead, please take this in the jovial spirit it is intended!


     


    Here goes...

  • California Has a History of Destroying Same-Sex Marriage
    Mark commented on the article | almost 2 years ago
    California Has a History of Destroying Same-Sex Marriage

    Peter,


    I'm not really sure what you mean, I understood the first two sentances, then you lost me...


    Mark

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