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Zack commented on the article |It can certainly be a challenge to guage the proximity to a post's core and how a moderator will react when deep in the reading therof. If I felt closer to off-topicness I also had the consideration that good nutrition does have ethical concerns and my nutrition-related posts stand on solid ground.
Be aware that in some places parents are being arrested for feeding their children vegan diets! I don't agree with this but find out what's going on in your locality so this doesn't happen more often.
I would say I was wandering rather than trolling.
I am not an extremely frequest blog-poster as most of my discussions are in real life so If I swing by every so often and respond here and there at odd times-of-day it is a function of my available time. My writing wanders too. My original motivation in coming to the animal rights blog was more related to the treatment of the animal we raise for food,and raw milk as opposed to factory milk, not the position of most here that killing them is unethical, which is entirely subjective anyway and most of the arguments just seem go around and around. My intention is not to annoy but that seems to be a side-effect when discussing the topic. It also seems that *any* consumption of animal products in any form is branded "exploitation" by most here, which could also be considered deliberately annoying and inflammatory.
The discussion of ethics and animals certainly branches out to various related considerations, including the strict logic and structure of arguments it seems. If I post a link to a certain commercial dairy it's because of that particular dairy's practices. If I post to an old post I may not have noticed it's age, it's all fresh when in front of me.
I may also be having some connection or browser issues so please excuse the "censorship" comment if that makes it on, my response to Alex was the purpose of that post.
'nuf for now, cheers. -
Zack commented on the article |It seems the threat of censorship is being carried out.
Right when I was responding!
I was going to say:
What I am saying that for a relationship to be considered "ideal" it is not necessary for the exchanged benefit to be in identical-as-possible form, i.e., milk-for-milk in this case, nor for the benefit to be directly exchanged, there can be circuitous benefit.
On a side note, to try and satisfy the milk-for-milk requirement implied, how would one balance human milk, which has 60-70% fat content, with cow's milk, which is about 4% fat? Volume? -
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For the "human taking and drinking the cow's milk" to be an ideal relationship does not necessitate the reverse to be true at all for it to be true itself.
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In nature? The aurochs from which our cattle are descended are long extinct. More of the world drinks goat's milk than cow's milk and historically have milked many species. As far as the sense of drinking the milk of another animal goes, about 35% of humans produce lactase, the enzyme needed to break down lactose into galactose and glucose, beyond weaning into adulthood. Raw milk still contains lactase, which is destroyed by pasteurization. "Factory" milk along with other processed food with it's compromised nutrition, fertilizers and pesticides is what causes health problems. Heart disease is caused by hydrogenated oils (margarine) and homogenized dairy, not saturated fats, which the body needs to process proteins. Too much protein without the necessary fats causes osteoporosis. Whole, raw milk and it's products have been consumed by humans for more than 9,000 years and provide excellent nutrition, including vitamins A, B6, Folic acid, B12 and natural D. Oof, it's late, am I rambling?
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The soy is grown to feed cattle for the likes of McD and BK. Bad for the rainforest, the cattle, and humans.
All of our animals get names and are loved whether cats, dogs, or dinner. -
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Irresposible? We kill and eat animals for their nutritional value, the good taste is a nice side effect, especially if well-prepared. A properly fed ruminant eats grass, not vegetables, on organic pastureland, out in the sun, where it also gets the insects and their eggs from the grass, it's saliva innoculates the grass with bacteria, and it's manure fertilizes the pasture. Milk from the ladies, organs and flesh for meat, bones and cartilage for stock, skin for leather. In many areas you can graze cattle where you can't grow crops. The tradtional Masai are amongst the healthiest people in the world and their diet consists of meat, milk, and blood, exclusively.
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Side note: Humans are indeed natural omnivores, there are different processes for digestion of plants and animals, and we have them both.
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There are those that would claim that plants *do* suffer, well as bacteria. I wonder what they eat...
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Wow, some of you sure like to type. I'll have to come back later to finish reading! Maybe I'll even get one those nifty little pictures. But here's a couple of thoughts to throw into the fray...
1. Insects: do very many vegans eat them? Where do they fit into the vegan moral ideology? If you eat eggs it is vital that the chickens (or other galliforms whose eggs one consumes) have access to them, as well as sunshine and wild greenery. I'll check my resources to see if they would supply vitamin B12. Some of you may remember from a previous post that I mentioned that there is no non-animal source of B12, a major problem with vegan diets.
2. Pets: Some of you are pictured with your cats and dogs. What do you feed them? Where does it come from? Certainly soy-based pet foods are cruel, and more rainforest is destroyed for soy production than for anything else.
3. Sheep: I recently spent an afternoon banding lamb-tails for docking, which doesn't seem to bother them, and certainly chopping them off instead of banding is painful and risks infection. Would you believe it more or less cruel to let this animal's tail get encrusted with feces and the resultant maggot infestation? (especially bad for ewes)
I'll see what I can come up with when I feel like typing some more.
Cheers. -
Zack commented on the article |No matter how luminous any particular individual or group that espouses veganism is considered, it gives me no reason to sacrifice my or my family's nutrition.
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