That would be pretty devastating to anyone I would think--to see such a thing. Many birds also nest in hayfields. I read a horrible story from a birder of seeing someone mowing over a whole colony of white-faced ibis nests and young, while the adults called and swirled around the mower.
I was thinking more about this issue and I guess I was talking more about large-scale/corporate farming. I would love it if people would/could go back to being able to grow vegetable gardens at home, but the way our society is structured, it's not feasible for everyone. Neighborhood and community gardens are most excellent though, and small-scale farming just tends to be easier on the planet and the critters overall than monoculture. Sort of in the same vein, it doesn't bother me that two of my girlfriends who live in fairly remote western places both hunt for their meat, killing only one deer or pronghorn a year. An animal living free and then dying a quick death does not bother me. I couldn't do it though--I'm a bunny hugger.
I think if people are just more aware of where their food comes from and it's consequences, they can make better choices. I'm actually amazed that the public IS becoming so informed these days about environmental issues and farming. I haven't really seen that in my lifetime before, so it gives me a lot of hope!
Alex, you sound a bit hostile ;) I just thought it was an interesting observation about humans not being able to avoid taking lives no matter what diet we choose, but I did not mean it to defend meat eating--that is your straw man. I am very much an active proponent of ending the entire meat industry and I regularly donate to animal welfare causes. I am very informed about the impacts of eating meat. I wasn't trying to criticize veganism at all, or saying that vegans think of themselves as perfect or as not taking lives. My personal creed is to have compassion for all beings and do my best to refrain from doing harm.
so...peace out ;)
M Vog: Where in the bible is abortion specifically addressed?
I would agree that the human fetus is alive, but there is no indication that it is conscious before a certain developmental stage. So, essentially, it is more like killing a plant than a conscious animal. Even if it is human, before a certain stage, it does not experience fear and suffering. I think yours is an argument better suited for late-term abortion. Let's work to reduce the need for abortions through education and access to birth control--surely almost all can agree on that.
If all pregnancies in the world were allowed to come to term, there would be more suffering in the world simply because the population would be unsustainable.
An interesting thing I read about the impossibility of avoiding taking lives to live: Even if you eat only organic vegetables or grains, the harvesting of these plants usually results in the deaths of millions of lives of the invertebrates and small animals (birds, mammals) that reside in the ag fields. I'm not supporting meat eating, but it does give a different perspective to the holier-than-thou arguments. It helps to be respectful of all life, although I don't include plants as sentient beings myself.
Finally, the best argument against eating red meat is the recent finding that it causes cancer. Enjoy!
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