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Alan Cheney
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Alan commented on the article |All right, Michael, you are clearly a troll. Jimmy Carter a shill for the Saudis? You're 'proud' of Irgun? I'm a (self-hating) closet antisemite? You've revealed yourself for who you are. Shanda.
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Alan commented on the article |
With all due respect, Michael, let's not just move on. I've recommended a downloadable book with 37 pages of such quotes, of which I've chosen three. Have you read Jimmy Carter's book? Your information is just not accurate and your insistance that we just move on reflects why there is still so much strife in the area. It's not because the Arab League entered Palestine in 1948 to secure land that Israel was illegally grabbing.
And let's be careful throwing around the 'T' word. Ever heard of Irgun/LEHI, the King David Hotel, Deir Yassin, Sabra, Shatilla?
The current illegal seige and collective punishment of Gaza? -
Alan commented on the article |
"In December 1947, the British announced that they would withdraw from Palestine by May 15, 1948. Palestinians in Jerusalem and Jaffa called a general strike against the partition. Fighting broke out in Jerusalem's streets almost immediately. Violent incidents mushroomed into all-out war. During that fateful April of 1948, 8 out of 13 major Zionist military attacks on Palestinians occurred in the territory granted to the Arab state." - "Our Roots Are Still Alive" by the People Press Palestine Book Project
"The Arab League hastily called for its member countries to send regular army troops into Palestine. They were ordered to secure only the sections of Palestine given to the Arabs under the partition plan... [Jordan's King Abdullah] promised [the Israelis and British] that his troops, the Arab Legion, the only real fighting force among the Arab armies, would avoid fighting with Jewish settlements. Yet Western historians record this as the moment when the young state of Israel fought off 'the overwhelming hordes' of five Arab countries. In reality, the Israeli offensive against the Palestinians intensified." - Ibid. -
Alan commented on the article |
Michael,
"Before the end of the mandate and, therefore, before any possible intervention by Arab states, the Jews, taking advantage of their superior military preparation and organization, had occupied... most of the Arab cities in Palestine before May 15, 1948. Tiberias was occupied on April 19, 1948, Haifa on April 22, Jaffa on April 28, the Arab quarters in the New City of Jerusalem on April 30, Beisan on May 8, Safad on May 10 and Acre on May 14, 1948...
"In contrast, the Palestine Arabs did not seize any of the territories reserved for the Jewish state under the partition resolution." British author Henry Catton, "Palestine, The Arabs and Israel"
It was a completely illegal land grab outside the "1/3" you speak of, just as Israel continues to do now in the "occupied" territories (i.e., the Palestinian part of the mandate). So the cynical and deceiptful - not on your part but on the part of the zionists - BS about the Arab nations attacking simply to deny the fait accompli of the mandate and destroy the new infant state is just patently false. -
Alan commented on the article |
Michael, I agree completely, and believe me, I'm well acquainted with the various viewpoints. But historical facts are fairly incontestible, and there is a sizeable body of those on this topic. My experience has been that zionist and zionist-christian accounts, in their (ahem) zeal, are very chinchy with inconvenient facts. That's why I recommend the work I did: it is largely in the words of Herzl, Ben-Gurion, Dayan, Maier, etc.
Another excellent source is Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. I'm told Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem is excellent as well and it's on my list to read. Have you or others read either Carter or Friedman? -
Alan commented on the article |
I agree that it is best to avoid too much contention on a site like this, and as it is Charles' site he has the last word; however; I feel I must challenge Michael with the same words with which he challenged Gerry (leaving out the strident comment about 'mouthing off'): to do his homework. A good place to start is with the lengthy pamphlet provided free by Jews for Justice in the Middle East in a downloadable pdf file: http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html It uses almost exclusively the words of the founders of Zionsim and Israel to paint a very clear picture of why there is such conflict in the area and why Michael's argument above is entirely unfactual.
Shalom.
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