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The Marijuana Law Tipping Point

Published May 08, 2009 @ 08:40AM PT

Yesterday marked the first time in history that a nationwide poll showed majority support for taxing and regulating marijuana (at 52%).  The poll, conducted by Zogby International at the end of April, was also one of the largest sample sizes of any national polls on the subject, with almost 4,000 respondents and a margin of error of +/- 1.6%.

This poll, in combination with recent trends, is further evidence that Americans are quickly realizing the value of taxing and regulating marijuana. Congress, however,  is often slow to keep up. If you want to push Congress to act, visit mpp.org/federal-action, where MPP’s online system makes it fast and easy to ask your member of Congress to end 70 years of failed marijuana prohibition.

Looking beyond the top-line level of majority support to the cross tabulations, where support and opposition are shown among numerous variables, we can build a helpful profile of marijuana legalization supporters:

Age: Taxing and regulating marijuana enjoys majority support across every age group except for the over-65 crowd, which registers 44% support.

Region: Voters in the East (52%) and West (60%) are more likely than voters in the South (48%) or the Midwest (48%) to support taxing and regulating marijuana.

Culture: Those who never shop at Wal-Mart (72%) are more than twice as likely to support marijuana legalization than regular Wal-Mart shoppers (35%).  NASCAR fans (38%) are significantly less likely to support it than non-fans (54%).

Religion: Jewish voters (76%) were more likely than Catholics (47%) or Protestants (45%) to support legalizing marijuana.  Voters who consider themselves “born again” (33%) are far less likely to support it than voters who are not “born again” (55%).

Party affiliation: Democratic Party members are the most likely to support legalizing marijuana (68%), with Independents showing strong majority support (54%).  Liberals (79%) are the most likely to support it, with moderates (58%) trailing by 21 points and conservatives (25%) trailing fully 54 points behind liberals.

Presidential election: Those who voted for President Obama (69%) were much more likely to support legalizing marijuana than McCain voters (30%).

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  1. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    We are talking about personal freedom nothing more nothing less.

    Like the pole indicates the right wing born again folks insist on legislating morality. They feel you should have no freedom you should shut up go to church and give them 10% of your money. They are also the ones that try to push pro-life down Americans throat. I feel this is a personal choice like weed there should not be laws that DICTATE how you treat a pregnancy or what you consume.

    I do not understand this mind set myself. I would not even consider dictating how a woman deal with an unwanted pregnancy. This is her decision and no laws should be passed to interfere with this decision. Why do the bible thumpers feel they have the right to deem you a criminal for making a personal decision? I would not consider doing this to them I could hear it now. I say if your belief is that abortion or weed is against your way of life. Don't have an abortion or smoke weed. To me it is simple but they insist on trying to dictate or pass laws that make criminals out of people that do not follow their beliefs. This is against the American idea of freedom. When they try to reduce my freedom for their beliefs. I got a problem with that. Its like evolutionist trying to shut down religion because they do not believe in it.

    These right wing born again people need to mind their own damn business. We live in a free country they have the rite to do and believe what they wish. The only thing they need to recognize is I HAVE THE SAME FREEDOM. I will never follow their religion one that condemns all people not like them. I will never be like them thank God!

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/08/2009 @ 05:20PM PT

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  3. Van Scheurich

    When it is all said and done and this goes through in Mexico, the country will be a bunch of drug addicts! 

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/09/2009 @ 09:25AM PT

  4. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    I hate to point out the pharmaceutical industry today make 681 billion a year. Most people I know (i am 60) are using drugs for one thing or the other.

    The problem is freedom of choice I would rather use a natural herb I can grow for free. Rather than pay hundreds of dollars to buy the chemical drugs the big boys sell legally. It is a matter of free choice my friend and corporate greed do a little reading. Cannabis is my choice but because the pharmaceutical boys pay off our lawmakers it is illegal. They stand to lose 80% if cannabis were legal 544 billion per doctors in California where it has been legal since 1996. Many people prefer it to the chemical alternative. Only problem is our leaders will put us in jail to protect the millions given to them every year to dictate what we can and cannot use.

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/09/2009 @ 05:35PM PT

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  5. mikey  johnson

    Well you OBVIOUSLY are an expert. Shut it all down, boys. Van said we're all gonna become drug addicts. You see, because drugs aren't widely available as is. We aren't already a drug addicted nation.

    O, to live in that reality.

    And yeah, I realize you said Mexico. With the insinuation that the same would happen here if we instituted the same policy. It's the same "Oh! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" bullshit America has been fed for decades now. There's only so long people are going to continue swallowing that sorta flawed thinking before they start looking for another direction to solve the problem. Sorry to break it to ya pal, but less and less of us in THIS century are interested in hearing these sad attempts at fear-mongering (as demonstrated in the several polls above).

    Drugs are in America. Just like drugs are in Mexico. People in Mexico, like people in America, Canada, China, Europe, Australia, etc... who want to use drugs will go ahead and use drugs. People who do not make a choice not to. If heroin were legalized today would it make YOU want to use heroin? Use some common sense. I love this concept that a law abiding, free thinking adult is incapable of this caliber of decision making in their personal lives. Let's remove ALL personal responsibility from the lives of Americans. We want Uncle Sam to make all the decisions for us. What kind of America is this?

    Go back to 1984.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/09/2009 @ 08:14PM PT

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  7. Van Scheurich

    Putting the money and tax issue aside that might be generated, it is not in the best interest of the United States to become a nation of pot heads.  China kept their people drugged for centuries until they broke out. I'd prefer not to be around people who are on drugs.

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/10/2009 @ 08:24AM PT

  8. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Your must not get out much Van. I would bet your work with or know someone who Is a drug consumer. You never drink a beer or have a scotch and water? You know anyone that smokes cigarettes? I knew a person that was hooked on over the counter nasal spray.

    Cannabis is one of the safest non addictive herbs on earth. But due to greed by the big boys it is illegal although one of the favorite choices of those who know how safe it is. It is a weed that anyone can grow and use that is the problem. The greedy drug pushers (legal Pharmaceutical folks) can find no way to make their billions on it. The way they do with patent chemical drugs so they appose it. They pay our lawmakers to insure we have no choice is that what you advocate no choice. Being 60 I feel I should have free choice that is all I fight for and try to educate people that have no clue.

    The only problem we have is freedom of choice that our lawmakers have taken away. I choose cannabis so I am put in jail and all for greed.

    You need to read more and study why we live with this tyranny today.

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/10/2009 @ 08:53AM PT

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  9. mikey  johnson

    Again, with your expertise (in whatever that is) you are OBVIOUSLY the one to determine what's in America's best interest. This isn't about drugging the country. It's about taking the money from the people already using drugs and helping those that need help instead of fueling the black market drug cartels. Regardless of what the laws are, there will be drug users. We should be focusing on harm reduction.

    This country is ALREADY drug addled. The largest drug abuse problem in America is Valium, a legal drug that people of all walks of life are actively addicted to, often with the permission of their doctor. We aren't throwing these people in jail. We aren't even wasting our law enforcement resources on harassing and ticketing them. Why should marijuana be any different?

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/10/2009 @ 07:24PM PT

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  11. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Because on Friday night I would rather use cannabis over bourbon (liquor killed my father and his father I watched them both die addicted to liquor) I should be put in jail. If this is the way you see it you are a bit warped or work in the corrections field or maybe a cop? It is about freedom of choice something we are all born with in this country. But our lawmakers due to the millions paid to them vote away our freedom, I want it back. Why would any one appose this?

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/10/2009 @ 09:00AM PT

  12. Stephen Thomas

    you guys have said everything thats on my mind I even sent a letter to cnn.com to make a long story short...telling them about my dieing grandfather who sometimes goes a day with out eating because he would be reluctant to try something like marijuana hask oil or marinol because certain people and certian politics have demonized it which it so wrong...I hope the government does something soon because there going to turn the younger generation against them on a scale larger then in the 60's if they are not carefull and I think that is sad because we shold want to believe in our government because this is America and our standard should always be whats best and whats freedom

    Posted by Stephen Thomas on 05/10/2009 @ 09:00AM PT

  13. Deanne Williams

    Hey Van, I'm a "pot head" and so are most of the people I know.  We aren't lazy.  My pothead friends are phsychiatrists, teachers, students, and law enforcement officers, people with Doctorates and Master's degrees - not sit-on-the-couch-all-day slackers with "no motivation" as you put it.  These are normal people, who like everyone else, want to get ahead in life.  We're talking people with families, here.  What decent parent doesn't want to get ahead in life to benefit their children?

    You've got the wrong idea about marijuana.  I'd suggest you go read some actual (recent) studies on cannabis before you come here and knock it.  We're spending roughly $20 billion dollars a year to arrest people who smoke pot, while the real health and safety issues in our country are caused by other (some even legal) drugs. 

    This is what's wrong with our society today, everyone is afraid to question the law.  Our government isn't perfect, it's just a bunch of people who sometimes make stupid decisions for us and then spend trillions of dollars trying to get us to believe they're right - even when we know better (and they we know...). 

    People like Van are the reason why cannabis prohibition has lasted so long.  They either refuse to look at the facts, or they're just too lazy to be bothered with it.  I mean, there are more important things to worry about, right?

    No matter that nearly a million people became "criminals" in 2007, just for being in possession of a PLANT - the use of which is known to be far safer than that of either alcohol or tobacco (both of which, in their "recreational" form, meet the criteria for Schedule I drugs under the Drug Control Act).

    Just because a substance is illegal, doesn't mean it's "dangerous" in terms of public health and safety.  Sometimes there are stupid laws that manage to stay on the books for decades.  Sometimes there are even laws that violate our constitutional rights!  Should we just sit around and let a bunch of people that WE elected into office tell us what's best for this country?

    NO!  These people are supposed to work for us, and the laws should reflect the current public interest - in this case, ending the marijuana witch hunt.

    The only thing that separates pot smokers from "law abiding citizens" are the laws that make marijuana illegal. I'm glad so many people have realized that the prohibition of marijuana just doesn't make sense anymore, and they aren't buying into the hype from Washington anymore about why it's illegal.

    Doctors can prescribe it, sick people can use it to make them feel better - that makes it a medicine.  What's been happening within the individual states now is that they are recognizing the medical benefits of marijuana (several states have re-scheduled it under their own Drug Control Acts), as well as removing criminal penalties for possession of small amounts of marijuana.  Most states have enacted some sort of legislation recognizing the medical use of marijuana.

    Right now these medical marijuana laws are mostly ineffective because they rely on cooperation at the federal level.  This means that sick people are turning to the "illegal" drug market in order to obtain their prescribed medication!  While most states won't take legal action against these individuals, marijuana is still prohibited at the federal level - which means they could potentially face federal charges for buying, possessing, or transporting this prescribed medication.

    Growing your own marijuana for medical use is a great idea, but could lead to substantially harsher penalties under federal laws.

    Where's the freedom in this?

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/10/2009 @ 11:33AM PT

  14. jeff newman

    [No matter that nearly a million people became "criminals" in 2007, just for being in possession of a PLANT - the use of which is known to be far safer than that of either alcohol or tobacco (both of which, in their "recreational" form, meet the criteria for Schedule I drugs under the Drug Control Act).}

    consider the man hours wasted in terms of the law enforcement, judicial system and most importantly those innocent humans who merely want to consume or facilitate consumption of the flowers of a plant!    focus on real crimes coppers!!  consider the millions of humans across the americas that are consuming these flowers on a daily basis...you cannot make us stop so quit fucking trying NOW!!!

    we will not settle for decriminalization…end the prohibition on cannabis & hemp, legalize, tax if you must be WE ARE GONNA GROW IN OUR BACK YARDS AND BASEMENTS for the rest of humanity.

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/10/2009 @ 12:37PM PT

  15. jeff newman

    just wrote cnn in regards to a show yesterday...
    just wrote cnn.com, swiped a line from one of ya

    CNN Allen St. Pierre vs. Kevin Sabet with Don Lemon

    my comment is positive because i am impressed that you guys are making a concerted effort to try and bring this debate about ending the cannabis prohibition to the eyes of humanity.

    but please have more in depth segments and actually let the NORML & MPP Guys speak! Ron Paul too!!

    be honest, you guys are having a hard time finding legitimate arguers on the sided of maintaining the prohibition. Sabet hogged this interview with lies and poor argument..in particular the opposition said 450,000 people die a year from tobacco and alcohol, what does that have to do with marijuana? ZERO DEATHS from the flowers of this plant. And when you’ve had Stepen Baldwin on about this topic his performance has been laughable.

    please also do not forget this would also legalize HEMP. look into all the benefits of this cousin plant. the two together legalized would be so much better then the wasted resources trying to exterminate them from our ground and our culture.

    Thanks so much for your time!!

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/10/2009 @ 12:39PM PT

  16. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Lets have a debate and hook up the people to lie detectors this would end the nagative bull shit they keep trying to pass out.

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/10/2009 @ 07:25PM PT

  17. Van Scheurich

    Fred......I'm 61, retired from GM and I could work days around you. Marines, 1966-69, wounded 3 times and was a millwright for 37 years, construction. With your point of view why not even ligalized cocaine also to bring in taxes. Your mind is rotted out.

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/11/2009 @ 07:19AM PT

  18. jeff newman

    van, no doubt it would have been difficult to have worked in one of those difficult jobs at GM under the influence of cannabis.  or those construction jobs.  sorry to hear about that GM stock. 

    our argument over ending the prohibition is not even close to solely a matter of bringing in taxes.

    why not think about it this way.  personal freedom and personal choice is a good thing.

    a million arrests a year over cannabis, that's the pace we're headed...how much of our tax dollars are wasted here paying the law enforcement, judicial system, and rehab system...over this wonderful plant!

    and do not forget all of the added benefits of now being able to farm HEMP.

    van, get a grip.

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/11/2009 @ 12:23PM PT

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  19. jeff newman

    a supermajority of those in rehab for marijuana are not there of there own choice.  it is because the law or courts or a pee test forces them to be there.  most likely they haven't even consumed cannabis in the prior weeks.   

    our taxpayer dollars are wasted funding this forced rehab!!!

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/11/2009 @ 12:29PM PT

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  20. jeff newman

    mad props to moving that heavy machinery.  i drive a car.

    imagine if the law actually came after the 10s of millions who consume cannabis every single week across the americas? 

    stop even trying and spend our taxpayer dollars wisely.  especially not exterminating cannabis & hemp plants and pursuing those that grow, sell, or consume cannabis or hemp products.   it will not work.  it is doomed to fail.

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/12/2009 @ 12:46AM PT

  21. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    To be your age and not a cop your are either ignorant to the facts or just misinformed..

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 07:54PM PT

  22. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Nothing rotten here dude. Like I said all I want is freedom of choice. Call me a rebel or whatever I just don't like being dictated to. The problem with you the feds haven't made anything you like illegal!!  But do nothing and give them time they will.

    Why do your oppose free choice so much. The marines were voluntary so you must believe in democrecy. This is a case of losing it having freedom taken away. Why whould anyone be in favor of that??

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:01PM PT

  23. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    One other thing yes I do believe all criminal penaties should be removed from all drugs. Take the money wasted on enslaving us and educate people to the downside of drugs. Including the legal ones they are much worse for you. Cannabis is a herb it is all natural the chemical shit the phamacutical companes push will kill you big time......

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:04PM PT

  24. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Was one of those three shots to the head. Say the part of the brain that allows you to have compassion for your fellow humans?

    20,000,000 thats 20 million jailed with a criminal record for a herb. Not to mention the 100 billion or so EVERY YEAR wasted fighting the war. Not to mention the billions that could be made on taxes and other benifits...Not to mention the freedom of choice issue..

    Tell you what you drink your wine and thats ok with me. All I ask in return the same respect for my choice. Wheither you think it is right or not does not matter to me it is my choice....

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 11:43PM PT

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  26. Van Scheurich

    To Jeff Newman........get a grip guy.  I moved heavy machinery for 37 years and had other tradesmen in these areas of movement. Any slight thing that might go wrong because someone did not have full mental capacity could have resulted in injury or death. Live with that guy if you were the one doped up and caused the accident!  All pot should be illegal.......period.  I write my Senators and Representatives regularly on this issue and guess what....they also agree.  Thanks for the reminder because I'll write again today! 

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/11/2009 @ 02:18PM PT

  27. Van Scheurich

    Deanne Willsiams..you are what's wrong with the world.  Tell me, why do you "have to get high"???  Don't you like your faculities being 100% and not blurred or "bent"??  Must be a reason here!

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/11/2009 @ 02:59PM PT

  28. Deanne Williams

    Hey Van,

    I'm not sure what "faculities" are, so I can't answer your question about blurred and bent ones. 

    Nowhere in my previous comment did I say that I "have to get high".  I enjoy it.  It helps me relax at the end of a long, hard day.  It helps me sleep and isn't addictive like most pharmaceutical "sleep aids".

    I smoke pot for the same reason any other person uses a recreational drug - because it helps you escape from the stress of daily life.

    I don't advocate operating automobiles or heavy machinery (or performing any similarly dangerous task) while under the influence of ANY drug, that doesn't mean all mind-altering drugs should be illegal.  One is just as likely to have an accident due to insufficient sleep as they are to have an accident because of smoking marijuana.  Should we also outlaw sleeping for less than 8 hours per night?  Over the counter cough syrups can impede one's motor skills and cause them to have delayed reaction times, increasing the likelihood of accidents.  Should those be outlawed, as well?

    Your logic is tragically flawed.  Just because a substance is potentially "dangerous" (for whatever reason), doesn't mean it should be illegal. 

    Alcohol is exponentially more dangerous than marijuana, yet it remains legal.  We all know how many auto accidents are caused each year by alcohol.  Do you write to your Senators and Representatives about that, or are you just a hypocrite who buys into all the anti-marijuana propaganda without really considering the arbitrary nature of cannabis prohibition?

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/11/2009 @ 06:20PM PT

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  29. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Well said Deanne but falling on deft ears....

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:10PM PT

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  31. Van Scheurich

    Jeff.............S.O.R.

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/11/2009 @ 02:59PM PT

  32. mikey  johnson

    Again, it's the same over-simplified and outdated argument for staying the course in the face of a policy that obviously is a failure. The debacle of the larger war on drugs aside, this particular debate is about marijuana. Anyone relatively in touch with reality knows that marijuana is no where near as harmful to people or society as cocaine, let alone legal and widely used American staples like alcohol and paxil! So comparisons to legalization of hard drugs just doesn't hold weight.

    By YOUR logic, we should be prosecuting users of alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. These things are being used by people, sometimes on the workplace or behind the wheel, SOMETIMES resulting in injury or death. Are you writing your representatives about these dangers to society? It would be an obvious waste of time and resources to criminalize all users of these things in the pursuit of minimizing damage to society. We wisely decided to focus our law enforcement on those that broke the law; our health care system on minimizing the risks to the users, and our substance abuse programs on helping those with abuse problems free themselves. None of this is present in current marijuana policy. We have obvious mistakes in place on every level. And it costs us money, time, resources, even lives.

    And why do you have to put the tax issue aside? Pot smokers may not be able to single-handedly turn the economy around, but every little bit will help right now. We are hemorrhaging if you haven't noticed. This will spur not only tax revenue, but job creation. Money in the pockets of at least SOME of the 8.9% of Americans currently unemployed. When you take in account not only recreational marijuana use, but the endless possibilities of industrial hemp, it is down right NEGLIGENT that we are not taking full advantage of this resource. We could be completely energy independent in under a year! This is not chump change. Now think of the side industries related to the new hemp applications. Anything made from petroleum can be made from hemp oil. Hemp absorbs as much CO2 as it releases when it's burned, making it carbon neutral. AND hemp can be grown in all 50 states, meaning this benefits LOCAL ECONOMIES, not big banks (and the representatives you are writing). Imagine the new facilities producing everything from clothing to fuel to plastics springing up all across the country. We neuter Mexican drug cartels and Iran all in one swoop. You obviously don't understand the full scope of this issue.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/11/2009 @ 08:52PM PT

  33. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    DITTO Mikey your saved me some typing....

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:12PM PT

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  35. Van Scheurich

    Deanne......why do you have to smoke "after a long hard day".  What does that mean?  Or is this a cop-out of some sort on the real issue.........drug addict?

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/12/2009 @ 07:44AM PT

  36. Deanne Williams

    Hello Van,

    Again, I don't "have to" smoke pot.  I choose to because I enjoy it.  "After a long, hard day" means exactly what it means - at the end of a day that felt particularly long (in hours) because I worked very hard.   Same thing millions of people do with a cold beer at the end of a long day, but alcohol has a much higher potential for abuse than marijuana (is everyone who drinks a beer after work an alcoholic? hardly). I smoke pot in moderation, and when I'm not smoking - I'm generally not thinking about smoking.  I'm addicted to nicotine in cigarettes, so I know what it is to be addicted.  Marijuana doesn't have that kind of hold on me, it's simply a psychoactive substance I enjoy consuming, much like my morning coffee. 

    It's a choice.  It isn't something I "have" to do, or "need" to do.  It's something I want to do because I thoroughly enjoy it.

    I have to ask, Van, do you view tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, and pharmac drugs in the same light as marijuana?  Did you witness something in your life that made you feel this way about marijuana?  Were you raised in a very strict or religious household?  I'm just trying to understand where your point of view is coming from, because I'm starting to wonder if you're not just hanging around here to stir up debate and taint the comment thread with insults and exclamatory ALL CAPS!!

    I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but in this case - your opinion is contrary to what the majority of commenters here know about marijuana.  There's either got to be a reason why you're so anti-pot, or you're just here trolling.

    Which is it?

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/12/2009 @ 09:18AM PT

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  37. jeff newman

    van, do you drink any alcohol these days?  how bout prescription pills for all those times the enemy caught up to you?

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/12/2009 @ 10:07AM PT

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  39. Briana  Stumpp

    I am a non-smoker and I still believe that Marijuana should be decriminalized like it is in Amsterdam. There was a study last night about this woman from Britain who went to Amsterdam to learn more about the effects and outcomes of smoking "cannabis". And actually the smoking rate in Amsterdam is LESS then the smoking rate in the US.

    I think we in America should be able to smoke in coffee shops or in the privacy of our own homes. It should be treated like alcohol is. No intoxication in public, no open bottles (or lit blunts, bowls, etc.) No drinking/smoking while driving or driving while under the influence.

    Its simple. Stop filling up our jails with petty Marijuana smokers. Do what Amsterdam is doing. It seems to be working!

    Posted by Briana Stumpp on 05/12/2009 @ 10:00AM PT

  40. mikey  johnson

    Are you just ignoring me, Van? It's kinda funny how you ignore all the points everyone raises. We're really just having a one sided conversation. If you can't defend your beliefs why do you bother engaging in a debate?

    Drug addicts don't limit their drug use to the evenings and when they're off the clock. Again, your "logic" just doesn't hold water.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/12/2009 @ 06:33PM PT

  41. Andrew Snyder

    People like Van will go to there grave believing that stereo typed non sense that they have been spoon fed from the government all there lives. they are to cowardly to have a legitimate thought of there own. If they have never tried it then they can not make an honest judgement of it. If someone has a legitimate problem with a substance then they need help. Breaking down there door in the middle of the night with automatic weapons drawn is something the NAZIS would of done to people who opposed them. This is America or is it any more. I honestly do not think we are on the right track. Cannabis was a major part of our country in the first 150 years. All of our founding fathers in one way or another planted it and Smoked it. Abe Lincoln favorite evening pastime was sitting on his porch with a pipe full of sweet hemp!. It is our right as citizens to choose what we put into our bodies, and to have the responsibility to act with out hurting others. The laws against are much greater harm than the things we are trying to control. Prohibition does not work we can not keep ruining the lives of innocent citizens. If they are addicted then lets get them the medical help they need and keep it out of the law enforcement area. Would you go to a police officer to get an operation done. NO then why put them in charge of drugs, it make 0 sense to let them make these decisions. Our government is no better either at making these decisions!

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/12/2009 @ 07:32PM PT

  42. Van Scheurich

    Deanne Williams.....one question:

    Why do you have to "unwind" after such a "long days work"?? Is there something in your life that needs to be addressed.

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/13/2009 @ 08:10AM PT

  43. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Why do you have a glass of wine, as you stated? Because you are a adullt and want to right, same deal.

    If the feds started putting winos in jail I bet you would be singing a different tune...Oh no that ain't right putting people in jail for having a jug o wine.

    You like that selective freedom you enjoy.. The old if I don't do it it's OK to put people in jail that do. But not me!!!! Better wake up and read something...

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 11:30PM PT

  44. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    People that like selective freedom and rights are my problem that needs to be addressed..

    I don't do it so its OK to put those people in jail, one day this mind set will bite you in the butt...

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 11:48PM PT

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  46. Van Scheurich

    You better look at the statistics because people who smoke pot tend navigate to Other substances because the people they hang with are in a crowd of substance abusers.

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/13/2009 @ 08:28AM PT

  47. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Same old bull shit people will fucking do what they are gonna do they should have that freedom...

    QUIT PUTTING ONE MILLION MAINLEY YOUNG NON-VIOLENT CANNABIS SMOKERS IN JAIL EVER YEAR.......NOW

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:17PM PT

  48. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Starting to sound like right wing evangelcal type.. Legeslate morality put every body in jail that doesnt agree with my dumb ass...

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:19PM PT

  49. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    That is not a valid statistic it is propaganda bull shit..

    I studied statistics in collage. Want a good one? Why have no high ranking political officials ever had their kids locked up for years over drugs??

    Statistics will dictate in any given population a certain percentage will try and use drugs.

    But if you are rich and powerful like our lawmakers have made themselves, they are above the law.

    A fact based on statistical laws that no one disputes....

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 11:20PM PT

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  51. Van Scheurich

    Do you smoke on the job?  and if the answer is no....why not? 

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/13/2009 @ 08:29AM PT

  52. Deanne Williams

    Hey Van,

    I'm a full-time student and mother of two.  I don't have a paying job at the moment, because I'm too busy with school, childcare, and other responsibilities around the house.

    I don't think showing up to work at a paid job under the influence of any drug is appropriate, specifically when your employer's policies prohibit it. 

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/13/2009 @ 04:49PM PT

  53. sandra mcshane

    do you drink alcohol before you go to work?
    i'm sorry but that is another invalid point.

    Posted by sandra mcshane on 06/06/2009 @ 10:11PM PT

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  55. Van Scheurich

    Jeff.......I don't drink except for red wine once in awhile, do not smoke,,,,period.  Yes the gooks did catch up with me while in Vietnam,,,,,,3 hearts and now 50%  disabled.  I don't need "anything" to get me through a "long days work", the phrase which all pot smokers use as a crutch for an answer!

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/13/2009 @ 08:40AM PT

  56. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Bottom line I will do what I want as long as I bother no one. Just because our lawmakers take millions from the pharmaceutical companies to keep Cannabis illegal. I will fight for the right to smoke it. Whether I do or not is nobodies FUC-ing business but mine.

    LIVE AND LET LIVE... QUIT ENSLAVING 1,000,000 MAINLY POOR POWERLESS PEOPLE OF COLOR AND DESTROYING THEIR LIVES FOR NOTHING BUT PURE GREED... VAN READ A BOOK SOMETIMES....

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:26PM PT

  57. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    HEY WINE IS A DRUG LETS PUT VAN IN JAIL TELL THE FEDS TO BUST DOWN HIS DOOR AT 12PM AND TAKE HIS ASS TO JAIL WINE WILL LEAD TO SCOTCH OR BOURBON WE KNOW WHAT THAT CAN CAUSE.....

    TOO BAD THEY TRIED THAT IT DID NOT WORK EITHER...

    MAKE ABOUT AS MUCH SENSE AS 20,000,000 BEING JAILED AND GIVEN A RECORD FOR A HERB!!!

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:31PM PT

  58. jeff newman

    racist pig too bad they didn't get you a fourth time in your brain.  wait from that impressive bio of yours..doesn't seem like you have ever had a fully functioning one ever.  just another feeble cog in the wheel you are. 

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/15/2009 @ 06:17AM PT

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  60. Van Scheurich

    Do you think that if you develope lung cancer because you smoke pot that the medicare should cover your treatment?

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/13/2009 @ 08:41AM PT

  61. Deanne Williams

    Marijuana doesn't cause lung cancer, in fact, it has a protective effect AGAINST cancer.  Surprising, eh?

    In response to your question, I've answered that several times already.  I have stress in my life, just like anyone else.  Sometimes a day is particularly rough, and I enjoy smoking some marijuana to calm me down.  Millions of people do the same thing with alcohol and the majority of them are not addicted, they are just people with stress who like to unwind by consuming an alcoholic beverage.  Marijuana is no different. 

    I don't condone driving under the influence of drugs, and I don't condone drug use by minors or children, but I don't see anything wrong with smoking the occassional joint.

    Check out this link, Van, for results from a study on the marijuana - cancer link (or lack thereof).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

    If you develop lung cancer from smoking cigarettes, should medicare cover your treatment?

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  62. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    I am starting to like this guy gives us a reason to state the facts that we all know to be true. Using drugs has nothing to do with my fight. I am fighting for freedom the ones taken away in favor of profits.

    I only became an advocate for ending the war on drugs after being raided at my home on an anonymous tip. Since then I have read everything on the war on drugs available and it is the biggest scam pulled on the American people to date. All for greed of the corporations that stand to lose money if he war on drugs ends. That is why the pay our lawmakers to brain wash the weak and uniformed like Van...

    Please read and educate your self everything we say is backed by fact. What about the bull shit you put out...

    Stick around with an open mind read the facts start with the cop site

    http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

    Cops that explain why the war on drugs does more harm to our youth than any drug legal or illegal...

    CFJ

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:43PM PT

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  64. mikey  johnson

    First to address this whole "gateway drug" nonsense. If you look at where hard drug users get their start, it is in fact not usually with marijuana. It is in fact with legal substances like tobacco and alcohol. If someone develops a substance abuse problem, they usually get there by trying a wide variety of substances, usually starting with the more commonly used substances and working their way into more exotic, and more dangerous drugs. All that goes to show you is marijuana is as widely available as tobacco and alcohol. And it's been that way for years in spite of ever increasing efforts to eradicate it.

    What legalization of marijuana would do is make sure that if someone is going to experiment with or use marijuana, they won't be going to people who also sell coke and heroin to buy it. Instead they go to a state regulated facility and have to show ID and meet age restrictions. No cocaine for sale. No heroin addicts. Just adults using cannabis. Which, in the 21st century, isn't really a big deal.

    Let me tell you a little bit of MY experience with drugs, which is very similar to many of the kids I knew in middle school and high school, and I'm sure is similar to many, many across America. My first foray into drugs was under my doctors recommendation. I was only 8 years old. They came up with a new name for youthful energy; ADD. And they knew exactly what I needed to "cure" me (thanks to a certain pharmaceutical company's generous contributions). Much of my memory before 15 or so has been wiped out, and I tell ya, it wasn't pot that did it. I do remember a particular incident when I was 13 or so, I just happened to mention I was on Ritalin to someone and they said something to the effect of he knew some kids that would buy it. It was at that moment I realized that when I listened to these DARE guys warning me about getting high, I was really getting high this whole time. The chain reaction started there. Next came the American standard, tobacco. That addiction lasted for many years, but now, thankfully, I am tobacco free for 8 years now. When I tried meth when I was 15, I wasn't thinking "this is going to be like pot". I drew my conclusions directly from information DARE gave me. Marijuana is as dangerous as cocaine. Cocaine is an upper, like Ritalin, methamphetamine and caffeine. I like caffeine. It's in sodas that kids can buy. And I've taken Ritalin for years. So when I was offered meth it really didn't seem like a bad idea. The obvious lie about marijuana caused me not to take ANY anti-drug message seriously. Thus started a few periods of near reckless drug experimentation. Something I was luckily able to mature out of without getting arrested while managing to still graduate high school. Out of it all what I ended up getting addicted to was tobacco. What helped steer me away from these other substances was my developing love of cannabis. In the end I simply didn't really like anything else. Had I became a drug addict it would have been because the many failures of drug prohibition. But I feel cannabis saved me from that fate.

    The fact that you mention cancer shows just how little you know about this subject. Really! Is it too much to ask for people to do the proper research on this issue before making their judgments

    Everyone has a vice, Van. Yours may just be senseless arguments. It takes a lot of arrogance to feel that public policy should be based on your person feelings about the stereotype of the people the policy effects. You don't need anything to get through a days work because you're disabled and don't do any work. congratulations. You're obviously a miserable and xenophobic individual. What this is really all about is your kind dying out. You're desperate. This bitter, racist generation is getting thinner and thinner. And it's influence is fading in favor of a new generation with new ideas. Maybe you had the majority in Vietnam, but now you're right where you belong. On the extremist fringe.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/13/2009 @ 01:58PM PT

  65. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    VAN, THIS GUYS KNOW HIS STUFF ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN. THEN LOOK FOR YOURSELF CHECK IT OUT

    http://medicalmarijuanapatient.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65

    THIS OLD LADY SAYS CANNABIS CURES MANY ILLS AND I AGREE WITH HER IT IS GREAT FOR MANY PEOPLE..SO WHY NOT GIVE THEM FREEDOM OF CHOICE?? COULD IT BE THE MONEY PAID TO OUR REPS TO INSURE IT IS ILLEGAL?  MAYBE BECAUSE THE BIG PHARMACY BOYS WOULD LOSE A PROJECTED 544 BILLION AYEAR IF WE HAD THE FREEDOM TO GROW CANNABIS AND USE IT FREE AS OUR OWN CHOICE??  IF WE HAD THE FREEDOM TO HAVE A CHOICE..........

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:51PM PT

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  67. Andrew Snyder

    Wow Mikey you just trigggered thoughts of my first (high) it was at my dentist they gave me nitruos oxide for tooth work. I remember it well, I thought I was watching cartoons on the wall but there was nothing there in reality. I was 8. I thought this was amazing. I have to find out more about this. I never got any answers from my parents. They were into alcohol and nicotine that was there vise. It was not till later in my teens I found out about these things. And i loved them That is why I do not drink. I have not for many yes=ars. I also think my love of cannabis stopped me from doing other things.

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/13/2009 @ 02:22PM PT

  68. Andrew Snyder

    years

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/13/2009 @ 02:24PM PT

  69. Jacob "Bear" Elert

    You guys, Van is clearly a troll.

    "One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."

    He's just trying to get a reaction out of everyone and he's succeeding. Let's stop feeding him.

    Posted by Jacob "Bear" Elert on 05/13/2009 @ 04:58PM PT

  70. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Bear is right but van is pulling out all the facts. Others that come here can read and see the truth and how sad the opposition is...

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 08:57PM PT

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  72. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    All that fight the tyranny called the war on drugs you are doing a great job. In the past year I see more and more people that realize we are being scammed by our own government.. Keep up the good work we will end this madness called the war on drugs..

    VAN ANOTHER GOOD SITE THAT WOULD HELP A NORMAL PERSON INTRESTED IN UNDERSTANDING IS

    http://www.november.org/thewall/wall/wall.html

    GO THERE READ THE STORIES OF THE KIDS IN JAIL AND HOW THEIR LIVES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY THE WAR ON DRUGS. IF YOU CAN READ THESE STORIES AND STILL WANT TO CONTINUE TO ENSLAVE OUR (POOR AS IN $) YOUTH YOU ARE A SADISTIC PERSON.....

    DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHY THE WAR WAS STARTED? RACISM AND GREED PERHAPS THAT IS YOUR AFFLICTION RACISM??


    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 09:07PM PT

  73. jeff newman

    well as you can see van is no doubt a racist (in referring to 'gooks' earlier in this thread)  so maybe this is why he's keeping it up his baseless bull.

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/15/2009 @ 06:10AM PT

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  75. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Went to vans bio he is a zero but does support

    I demand congress and the President enact The Employee Free Choice Act.

    HAY VAN THAT IS WHAT WE WANT FREEDOM OF CHOICE OF WHAT WE CAN DO IN OUR OWN DAMN HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 09:14PM PT

  76. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    What do you know van is fighting the same fight but for something that is important to him..Fuc- the hippies and rebels right van?? We don't need freedom of choice because the choice is not one you would make.. There is no such thing as selective freedom either we all have it or we don't. You advocate selective freedom that is the true bull shit.

    Also Mickey is a friend of mine he is very factual and concise in his comments and has all the facts correct you should be more open minded. He is in no was a fruit cake and  you are the one that is plain and simple (minded).

    VAN TRY THIS SITE TO BRING SOME INTELLIGENCE TO YOU COMMENTS..

    http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 09:24PM PT

  77. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    I love this I am going to tell van my favorite FACT lets see what he says...This FACT alone proves the entire motivation for the war on drugs, greed and racism of course. Its not the weed its the people that use it I don't like.  (NIXON)

    Marinol  A chemical drug you can get a prescription anywhere and buy it legally.. A major pharmaceutical company has the patent on Marinol..

    It has the same chemically synthesized ingredient as Cannabis, THC.

    How can this be? The big pharmacy boys (legal drug pushers) recognized the potential for profits on cannabis. But it is schedule one, so they bribed our lawmakers through lobbyist to move the main ingredient in cannabis THC to a lower schedule. This allowed them to patent and produce Marinol.

    So use chemically synthesized THC (under a electron microscope the same as cannabis THC) IT'S LEGAL!! As long as the legal drug boys control and reap the profits THC is OK per our lawmakers and the FEDS...

    Grow a weed free with THC and you go to jail five years mandatory minimum under federal law. They have a 99% conviction rate, by not allowing you to defend yourself. Then offering plea deals because you are going to jail!! If you plead guilty as your lawyer will tell you will get you less time. If you go to court you will get more time because it pisses the feds off if you want a trial or perhaps justice...

    The game here is profit protections for the legal drug pushers. They do not want you to grow a weed free to get THC they want to control where and how much you pay for all drugs. (cannabis is not a drug it is a herb)))))

    You do not have the ability to chemically synthesize THC that allows the legal boys to corner the THC market unless you of course want to go to jail...

    You decide is this a scam or what? Are corporations really making the rules? Go to the site below look up your lawmaker in Washington.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/

    See how much the various corporations that profit from the war on drugs give "YOUR REPRESENTATIVE?" HA....Millions contributed every year to each and every one of our lawmaker in DC...We need to put an end to lobbyist but that is another fight vote for it at my site...

    http://www.change.org/actions/view/step_one_end_specal_interest_in_washington


    Van do some reading and research educate yourself...

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/13/2009 @ 10:22PM PT

  78. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Van doesn't have any compliments yet


    Wonder why?

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/14/2009 @ 12:08AM PT

  79. Van Scheurich

    Deanne....do you take care of your two kids while your "high" or under the influence?   If so, that just tells me you have no responsibility of care for your kids.  Sad!

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/14/2009 @ 08:17AM PT

  80. Van Scheurich

    I don't think showing up to work at a paid job under the influence of any drug is appropriate, specifically when your employer's policies prohibit it. 

    This is it in a nutshell.  I wouldn't want to work with you either during the type of work I do either, you'd get killed.

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/14/2009 @ 08:20AM PT

  81. Deanne Williams

    The difference between you and me, Van, is that I have a college education so I won't have to work construction or operate heavy machinery for a living. 

    It's called learning, you should look into it.

    I just started a new action, everyone.  There's a bill in Congress that would remove mandatory minimum sentences for federal drug offenses.

    Watch the video, it'll break your heart!  Spread the word, because we need to let Congress know this is important - before this bill dies in committee like so many others!!

    http://www.change.org/actions/view/put_a_stop_to_mandatory_m
    inimum_sentences_for_federal_drug_offenses

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/14/2009 @ 12:20PM PT

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  83. Jacob "Bear" Elert

    Guys... seriously. Look at him.

    He doesn't post facts. He attacks people personally and calls them "rats."

    He's a troll.

    Now that that unpleasantness is dealt with, we need to move away from "Why should it be legal?" to "How should it be legal?"

    Posted by Jacob "Bear" Elert on 05/14/2009 @ 06:46PM PT

  84. Jacob "Bear" Elert

    One more thing:

    Van is not a supporter of any causes or non-profits. His only comments are in this blog. He came on to Change.org for one reason and one reason alone, and that is to rile everyone with illogical and hate-based arguments.

    He. Is. A. Troll. When he posts, ignore it. He's just craving negative attention and wants all of you to believe that he actually believes this nonsense. If you don't talk to him, he'll likely try to spam the board with "stoner, pothead," and "hippie" before he has a tantrum that he's being ignored and leaves.

    Posted by Jacob "Bear" Elert on 05/14/2009 @ 06:50PM PT

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  85. mikey  johnson

    Yeah, You're probably right. I guess I'm just easily amused. :)

    Interesting side note: I saw The Drug Free America Foundation has a page on here too. Do you think that's really them or just some jackass, maybe the same jackass.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/14/2009 @ 07:14PM PT

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  87. mikey  johnson

    I would suggest not talking to him but it's way too much fun. I now have grown to look forward to getting out of work and rushing home to being able to sit down with my pipe and read what this windbag is going to spout off with next. You have to admit, it's good for a good laugh. Notice how as his flimsy ideas are shot down one by one he has less and less to say. I'm just wondering if he's going dare attempt to use any sort of fact in his argument.

    Just so you know, Van. People tend to resort to personal attacks when they nothing more intelligent to say. You've yet to really respond to any of the facts raised in this discussion. Is this all your side has got? Because I have to say, it's not very convincing. Do you honestly think silly, juvenile name calling is going to stand in the way of progress? Or haven't you really even thought it out that far?

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/14/2009 @ 07:02PM PT

  88. mikey  johnson

    Is anyone out there making it Seattle Hempfest this August?

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/14/2009 @ 07:15PM PT

  89. mikey  johnson

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/14/2009 @ 07:38PM PT

  90. Bryan Snowden

    I followed Mr. Kerlikowske's appointment as the new "Drug Czar" (which was reduced to a "non-cabinet" position btw, that seems positive..) - and while following the rumor of him being Obama's choice for the job, most of what I read about Mr. Kerlikowske was relatively encouraging.

    He doesn't "approve of legalization", But he seems to have been pragmatic and increasingly realistic about the issue over the years, especially during his time in Seattle.

    He can "disapprove" of something and still support making a change in the laws regarding it, just like people didn't approve of public drunkenness or alcoholism - Yet still, they supported the repeal of Alcohol Prohibition - because it was just plain irrational for our country to continue down that road.

    Politicians are going to have to do something similar to this with marijuana before too long - they can be politically correct and "disapprove of it's use" and marijuana "DUI offenses" (= operating heavy machinery while substantially impaired by it), Basically - holding a Politically correct stance on the issue, and still agreeing to changing the laws to address the reality of the situation.

    They can say it's better to do this, rather than continue fighting a primarily ideological and obviously un-winnable battle against the american people - at a ludicrous (and no longer plausible) financial expense.

    I AM concerned about the "expanding use of drug courts" and rehab - instead of incarceration, but I also can't see that many rational people thinking that marijuana "rehab" is a good or neccesary thing, (with a few possible exceptions of course).

     Although, I seriously suspect those 'exceptions'/persons are actually people with larger substance abuse problems - that may have weened themselves down to marijuana use - which in the grand scale of things MAY be the best solution for some individuals.  From a public health standpoint it might be something along the lines of methadone for heroin addicts - marijuana/cannabis may be a safer substitute for SOME former and/or recovering alcoholics/addicts that (for whatever reason) can't maintain 100% sobriety.

    I've heard people (somewhat) 'jokingly' refer to "marijuana maintenance" in 12-step meetings, and I've known many people over the years that probably would've died from alcoholism - that are 1. ALIVE, 2. Essentially healthy, and 3. Functionally living life at a level they couldn't even begin to, if they were still drinking.

    Is that a "crutch"?  Sure... *shrug*
    Is that the ideal solution?  No, perhaps not...
    Is it a better, livable alternative - as opposed to their prior situation/lifestyle?  You betcha!

    Posted by Bryan Snowden on 05/15/2009 @ 07:35AM PT

  91. mikey  johnson

    While there is plenty of reasons for healthy skepticism about REAL change, this is most progress this issue has really seen. There has been a distinct shift in momentum our way. America is finally taking an honest look at the benefits of not just marijuana legalization, but a complete restructuring of our criminal justice and health care systems. I have no expectation of things changing overnight. But we are inching closer. I feel that in a couple years we will be in a very good position to see some real action and some real reforms.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/17/2009 @ 12:18PM PT

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  93. Van Scheurich

    Seems that Jeff has fallin' into a typical pattern of bad-mouthing people who disagree with him.  Something like a spoiled brat it would seem. Typical of a drug user sho doesn't get "his way"....cry, cry and cry some some more for us, covering up the real problem.......being a moronic, drug head!

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/15/2009 @ 07:43AM PT

  94. Van Scheurich

    Mickey......Class warfare??  Just what is "your side" and "my side"?  I'ev only given you "my OPINION".  I find it quite amusing that you have to "rush home" from a "hard days work" to read a lousy e-mail.  You really have a sheltered life don't you?

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/15/2009 @ 07:52AM PT

  95. Van Scheurich

    Deanne:  I also went to college and I "chose" to be in this line of work.  Cranes, monorail systems, engineering departments.  So Miss High and Mighty,.......S.O.R. !!

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/15/2009 @ 08:07AM PT

  96. Jacob "Bear" Elert

    They're already trying to mislead people. Fight back here:


    http://www.change.org/drug_free_america_foundation_inc


    Don't let them lead more people astray with fearmongering!

    Posted by Jacob "Bear" Elert on 05/15/2009 @ 11:29AM PT

  97. Mary Lou Berry

    Hi Bear thanks for the Link,  Hey they also posted a new blog over there...looks like they had to dig that one up cause they feel a little threatened...By the legalization movement.  But hey go take a look at their new post >>  http://www.change.org/drug_free_america_foundation_inc/blog/view/threats_made_to_connecticut_senator_bring_harassment_to_a_head

    Posted by Mary Lou Berry on 05/28/2009 @ 12:59PM PT

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  99. Van Scheurich

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/15/2009 @ 05:09PM PT

  100. Van Scheurich

    Deanne :

    You stated that "you can't teach and old dog new tricks" AND that "you can get addicted to many different illegal drugs and in the case of marijuana in particular are a far bigger problem in society". 

    With this statement by you, YOU are therefore admitting that marijuana is illegal and also a problem in society. By your standards it is just "a lesser problem."

    My answer to this statement by you then is:  Why change laws that are a problem, whether lesser or not, just so people like you can get high and bring it around kids??

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/15/2009 @ 05:19PM PT

  101. Deanne Williams

    You misunderstood what I said.  I said LEGAL drugs are a bigger problem than ILLEGAL drugs, namely marijuana.

    Marijuana prohibition isn't working.  The current laws that send millions of otherwise decent people to prison every year for pot are doing us more harm than good. 

    You see, it isn't marijuana that's the problem.  It's the LAWS that are the problem.  Change the laws, solve the problem.

    Of course, we still need to address the REAL drug problem in America (prescription drugs, alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamine), and we already know that locking people up for using drugs doesn't solve the problem of drug addiction - nor does it solve the problem of drug-related crime (which is mainly caused by the fact that drugs are illegal, leading to a "black market" for drugs and much associated crime).

    The fact that marijuana is illegal doesn't stop people from using it.  I don't use marijuana around my kids or anyone else's kids, and neither do any of the people I know.  But that doesn't mean that other people don't, and whether it's legal or not has no effect on that.



    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/15/2009 @ 05:52PM PT

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  103. Van Scheurich

    Then why don't you smoke pot around your kids if you are so concerned that the stuff is all right in your mind (whether altered or not)????
    Would you be concerned if your kids grow up and smoke on a daily basis and if working in the fabrication industry and machiner, they hurt someone while coming back from a "smoke break" because their mind was altered???

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/15/2009 @ 06:00PM PT

  104. Deanne Williams

    I'm more concerned with the fact that they could be killed by a drunk driver at some point in their lives, or involved in a serious car crash not related to drugs or alcohol and end up incapacitated or worse.

    Hopefully I'm raising my kids with enough good sense to know better than to take unnecessary risks with their safety and the safety of others.

    When the time comes, I'll speak to my kids about the dangers of drugs AND alcohol, addiction, and what constitutes responsible use - and if I'm lucky, they'll listen.

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/15/2009 @ 06:32PM PT

  105. sandra mcshane

    my daughter absolutely hates it when i drink in front of her. i have stopped doing it because i am a responsible parent. i have been high around her in the past and she has said to me on many occasions she would much prefer for me to be high around her than drunk. and that is a fact. i feel alot more in control around her when i am high than when i am drunk.

    Posted by sandra mcshane on 06/06/2009 @ 10:09PM PT

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  107. Andrew Snyder

    Please no one talk to this person(VAN). He will never change his closed mind and thank god we are now the majority. People like him want there freedoms but want to say what everyone else should do or not do. They will never get it until it effects them or someone they know. Or until there freedoms are taken. I thought you were leaving Van. You have no valid points. Everything you say is the same old racist tired BS that no one except people like you keep trying to shove down our throats.Adults should be able to consume what ever they want. Is this not America, land of the (FREE) and the home of the brave! If you want to keep talking away other peoples freedoms then be careful because it will not be long before they start taking yours. We as citizens can not allow this to happen. I would fight for your freedoms , So you should do the same.

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/15/2009 @ 06:42PM PT

  108. Deanne Williams

    I'm done with him.  Just checked his profile and noticed he supports DFAF, which is just a reincarnation of Straight, Inc. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight,_Incorporated

    Double checked the wikepedia entry for validity, it's spot-on according to all other sources. 

    Why this group receives government funding is beyond me.  Maybe we should start an action to withdraw federal funding from DFAF?

    Posted by Deanne Williams on 05/15/2009 @ 06:55PM PT

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  110. mikey  johnson

    Yeah Van, I'm sheltered. Sure. That makes a while lota sense....

    You have nothing substantive to say. You've yet to make a single point. Weren't you leaving?

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/17/2009 @ 11:42AM PT

  111. Van Scheurich

    Posted by Van Scheurich on 05/17/2009 @ 03:32PM PT

  112. mikey  johnson

    I'll get right on that.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/17/2009 @ 09:50PM PT

  113. mikey  johnson

    If anyone out there has a half hour to burn you should definitely check out this interview that appeared on PBS with David Simon, executive producer of HBO's The Wire. I think you'll find it very interesting.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04172009/watch.html

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/18/2009 @ 08:09PM PT

  114. Andrew Snyder

    Very good interview Mikey! it was very thought provoking.

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/18/2009 @ 08:43PM PT

  115. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    BEAR thanks for the link. I have wanted to tell these people what I think of their organization for years since they do not take comments at their site. I don't blame them the Nazis....

    Lets tell Drug Free America Foundation Inc. what we think about their effort to insure the drug war never ends and we jail people for using a natural herb... AT

    http://www.change.org/drug_free_america_foundation_inc/comments

    This organization is a front for the major legal drug pushers in our country they contribute millions ever year to ensure the perception that their drugs are good and legal but cannabis is evil and free and they would lose too many billions if it were legal. So they advocate we jail another million young people this year and destroy their future to insure their billions in profits....

    Please go to their site and educate people to the
    Facts............

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/22/2009 @ 12:20PM PT

  116. Andrew Snyder

    Please go and vote on this matter. We need to get it to # 1


    http://opengov.ideascale.com/akira/dtd/2762-4049

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/23/2009 @ 07:47AM PT

  117. Andrew Snyder

    I found this at crrh.org
    According to the Notre Dame University publication, The Midlands Naturalist, from a 1975 article called, "Feral Hemp in Southern Illinois," about the wild hemp fields that annual efforts from law enforcement eradication teams cannot wipe out, an acre of hemp produces:

    1. 8,000 pounds of hemp seed per acre.
    When cold-pressed, the 8,000 pounds of hemp seed yield over 300 gallons of hemp seed oil and a byproduct of
    6,000 pounds of high protein hemp flour.
    These seed oils are both a food and a biodiesel fuel. Currently, the most productive seed oil crops are soybeans, sunflower seeds and rape seed or canola. Each of these three seed oil crops produce between 100 to 120 gallons of oil per acre. Hemp seed produces three times more oil per acre than the next most productive seed oil crops, or over 300 gallons per acre, with a byproduct of 3 tons of food per acre. Hemp seed oil is also far more nutritious and beneficial for our health than any other seed oil crop.

    In addition to the food and oil produced, there are several other byproducts and benefits to the cultivation of hemp.

    2. Six to ten tons per acre of hemp bast fiber. Bast fiber makes canvas, rope, lace, linen, and ultra-thin specialty papers like cigarette and bible papers.

    3. Twenty-five tons of hemp hurd fiber. Hemp hurd fiber makes all grades of paper, composite building materials, animal bedding and a material for the absorption of liquids and oils.

    4. The deep tap root draws up sub-soil nutrients and then, when the leaves fall from the plant to the ground, they return these nutrients to the top soil for the next crop rotation.

    5. The residual flowers, after the seeds are extracted, produce valuable medicines.

    Our farmers need this valuable crop to be returned as an option for commercial agriculture.

    While marijuana is prohibited, industrial hemp will be economically prohibitive due to the artificial regulatory burdens imposed by the prohibition of marijuana. When marijuana and cannabis are legally regulated, industrial hemp will return to its rightful place in our agricultural economy.

    Hemp may be the plant that started humans down the road toward civilization with the invention of agriculture itself. All archaeologists agree that cannabis was among the first crops purposely cultivated by human beings at least over 6,000 years ago, and perhaps more than 12,000 years ago.

    Restoring industrial hemp to its rightful place in agriculture today will return much control to our farmers, and away from the multinational corporations that dominate our political process and destroy our environment. These capital-intensive, non-sustainable, and environmentally destructive industries have usurped our economic resources and clear-cut huge tracts of the world's forests, given us massive oil spills, wars, toxic waste, massive worldwide pollution, global warming and the destruction of entire ecosystems.

    Prohibiting the cultivation of this ancient plant, the most productive source of fiber, oil and protein on our planet, is evil. In its place we have industries that give us processes and products that have led to unprecedented ecological crisis and worldwide destruction of the biological heritage that we should bequeath to our children, grandchildren and future generations.

    Restore hemp!

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/23/2009 @ 07:37PM PT

  118. mikey  johnson

    All the tired reasons for marijuana prohibition aside, the fact that industrial hemp is still illegal is probably the most widely detrimental aspect to the war on drugs. This is where an end to the war on drugs would REALLY help many sectors of America. A carbon neutral product that could completely replace oil? Of course, that's precisely why those in power resist reforming these laws. They get paid very well not to by the very industries that have the most to lose by the cannabis plant being used to its full potential.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/24/2009 @ 10:24AM PT

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  120. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Interesting thought I just heard. I think is was Bill Mare that said if the war on drugs did the damage to the white race that it is doing to the black race their would be a huge outcry. Those who are informed know that the prohibition of cannabis was mainly aimed at the people of color. Today it is doing what it was designed enslaving and destroying mainly young people of color.

    As long as young blacks are paying the price for the war on drugs why should Washington care. The war on drugs does not affect them. They are above the law as we just proved with the torture deal. I support prosecution of the people that authorized torture including Bush. You grow a weed you get from ten years to life. l feel our lawmakers should be prosecuted for taking away our rights a free Americans.

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/24/2009 @ 09:11AM PT

  121. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    No new comments in days now. Being old this scares me Americans tend to forget. They get a little complacent and the government will continue to rape us.

    Please stay vigilant we must pull together and make our country great again. We all need to work on the major issues in our country and keep fighting every day!

    We need universal health care for all Americans rich and poor like Canada they have a great system.

    The major money people in this country do not want us to have health care. They would lose too much money they are willing to destroy more of us to insure they continue making increased profits. They allow 20,000 a year to die in our country I suppose they look at it like a necessary expense.

    We need to end the war on drugs and use the money to finance universal heath care. Then we could help people that need it and quit jailing people that don't need our help. Some people just want freedom of choice. Their choice for relief is cannabis over liquor. All we demand is to have a choice and stop the dictatorship we have in place today. Liquor and legal drugs kill over 100,000 a year or more, cannabis in 5000 years has killed no one. You tell me what the smart choice is if we were allowed to have a choice?

    We also need to stop the buying of our country by corporations. They will destroy our world if we allow them to continue as they operate today. They pay our representatives to favor their interest and sacrifice our lives to do so. The few wealthy are getting more wealthy while the middle class is pushed closer to poverty every day. If we were to quit wasting money and put more interest into quality of life... What a great country we could have for all Americans. The key is to be responsive and represent the people not the corporations that control our country today.

    Reduce the power of Washington they control too much and use propaganda to further their special interest. Not to mention the tax money they throw away and give to corporations. They then receive PAC money from the same corporations, DC is the only place where this is not considered bribery. But we stand by and allow the selling of our representation to the highest bidder.

    Education is also a key element. Being 60 I have seen the same pattern over and over with not results. We have a money problem they cut the schools. Then they say want better education we need to raise taxes. Then the cycle repeats and the schools are still far substandard to much of the developed world. They have used this cycle of fear over and over during my life. We must demand a higher priority on education it is the key to enlightened decision making...

    OK I will shut up. Did anybody see Bill Mar last night this guy tells it like it is, I like him. I hope he does not go the way of the Smothers Brothers...

    Cherokee Fred Jesus






    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/30/2009 @ 08:28AM PT

  122. jeff newman

    bill maher is great!  i loved his movie religulous and tivo his show regularly.  he brings up cannabis quite frequently, but wish he would come to this site to hone his argument.  and bring hemp into the cause!

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/30/2009 @ 12:34PM PT

  123. mikey  johnson

    No worries Fred. We're still here fightin' the good fight! I guess we're all just waiting for some new news. The good folks in Illinois and Rhode Island definitely haven't forgotten about marijuana law reform. Both states advanced medical marijuana bills this week!

    Bill Maher is the man! I'm glad to see more and more sanity in the media these days!

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/30/2009 @ 07:00PM PT

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  125. jeff newman

    Prohibitionists Are In Control Of The Border Who controls the U.S.-Canada border (Editorial: Crossing the line, The Times, May 24)?

    Cannabis (marijuana) prohibitionists do, that’s who. Cannabis prohibition is a discredited, failed and harmful government-subsidized discrimination program that should never have been allowed to start and should have ended years ago. Problems due to cannabis prohibition can only increase; nothing good will ever come from the nightmare. Nearly every study, including government studies, call for an end to the farce.

    In the early 1970s, the Le Dain Commission’s report along with Canada’s 2002 Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs’ report unanimously recommended to regulate cannabis the same way as alcohol.

    Since Canada ignored those recommendations, the problems associated with prohibiting the relatively safe, socially acceptable, God-given plant cannabis have escalated. And it’s not limited to Canada; look at what’s happening in the U.S. and Mexico.

    For decades, U.S. prohibitionists have spent billions to perpetuate reefer madness and millions of North Americans bought the crime. The only way to end the misdeeds is to finally end cannabis prohibition. It’s time to treat cannabis prohibitionists like vampires.

    http://www.420magazine.com/forums/in...ol-border.html

    Posted by jeff newman on 05/30/2009 @ 12:27PM PT

  126. Andrew Snyder

    Delaware Senate Bill Would Legalize Medical Marijuana
    May 27, 2009Sussex Countian

    STATEWIDE - Delawareans afflicted with a variety of chronic and painful conditions would be able to legally use medical marijuana to ease their suffering under a bill now under consideration in the Delaware State Senate.

    Sen. Margaret Rose Henry (D-Wilmington East), said her bill isn’t an outright decriminalization of marijuana and is aimed at balancing compassion for the sick with maintaining tight controls on access and the amount of marijuana a person can have.

    “Modern science shows us that marijuana can have beneficial effects for people suffering from a number of conditions including cancer, multiple sclerosis, glaucoma and HIV-AIDS,” Henry said. “While we don’t want to encourage the use of marijuana as a recreational drug, it makes no sense at all to deny the comfort it can give to people suffering from truly debilitating and painful diseases.”

    If passed, Henry’s bill would:
    •    Limit patients to six ounces of marijuana a month.
    •    Require patients, people designated as caregivers and personnel at the “Compassion Care Centers” where pot could be distributed to have state issued ID cards authorizing their ability to access marijuana. The non-profit centers could not be operated within 500 feet of an existing public or private school.
    •    Require that marijuana be cultivated in enclosed, locked facilities with security systems to prevent theft.
    •    Ban employers from firing an employee receiving medical marijuana if they fail a drug screening. However, employees could be fired for working under the influence of marijuana.
    •    Prohibit the use of marijuana in public places, on public transportation, in schools and in prison.

    Dr. John Goodill, chief of pain and palliative medicine at Christiana Care, said he supports Henry’s bill because it’s based on a proven model that’s produced good results for patients.

    "This bill follows a model that has worked well in other states to date,” Goodill said.  “I think the medical evidence is compelling enough to add it to the list of options for relieving suffering in people living with serious illness and chronic pain.”

    Joe Scarborough of Wilmington has used marijuana to ease the side effects of the drugs he takes to combat the effects of AIDS and to ease the pain in his leg and foot from nerve damage caused when a cancerous tumor was removed from his back. He praised Henry for taking on the issue and focusing it on using marijuana for medicinal purposes, instead of pushing for options, such as blanket decriminalization.

    “Maybe, in a perfect world, you’d discuss total decriminalization, but I think Sen. Henry’s approach – just focusing on the people who can be helped by medical marijuana – is the right one,” Scarborough said. “I can tell you that, in my case, smoking marijuana has helped with the pain and nausea associated with the drugs I take for AIDS as well as chemotherapy and it has helped with pain caused by my nerve damage.”

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 05/31/2009 @ 06:46AM PT

  127. mikey  johnson

    We can add Delaware to the list of states taking steps to reform their marijuana laws. This is likely going to be how legalization becomes a reality in the US. The individual states taking steps independent from the federal government to enact change locally. With the Obama administration's pledge not to interfere with state laws in regards to marijuana and recent court rulings in favor of state medical marijuana laws, the states are now free to decide their marijuana laws on a state to state basis. Constitutionally this is a states issue anyways.

    We started to get some progress going here in New York. We have been decriminalized here for many years. This year alone twin medical marijuana bills were introduced in the senate and assembly. We also finally got the dreaded Rockefeller Laws repealed. Unfortunately I haven't heard anything else on the medical marijuana bills. In previous years similar bills died in the senate and I fear the same may happen this year despite massive public support and complete democratic control in Albany.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 05/31/2009 @ 10:02AM PT

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  129. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    My objective of ending our dictatorship in 2009 just passed through another month. Billions more have been wasted hundreds of thousands are in jail more are forced into rehab or community service. Fines from non-violent cannabis offenders have become a major source of income to the law enforcement community and judicial branch's. We have a growing parasitic industry that provides in home leg monitors and drug rehab also drug testing. Now the drug thugs are saying they use treatment rather than putting more in jail. I would be glad to see a reduction in the numbers spending time in jail. But the for profit jail system is growing I just heard on the news where Atlanta is planning to sell their main jail to a private firm. It appears the money people are betting against us. The ones that believe a victimless crime is not a crime at all. They would not be spending money buying jails if they thought we were a threat. They are still allowed to join the many that contribute to buying our representatives and growing their business. Our representatives must feel we will as in the past get over it. Go back to our existence. Continue to send our kids to substandard schools. Continue to allow them to sacrifice and destroy almost one million Americans lives a year. Because they feel they know what is best for us more-so than ourselves. They allow 20,000 a year to die due to lack of medical care. They say we don't need universal health care for all. They say we do not deserve to make choices for ourselves. They say they can spend our hard earned money any way they like. They can throw it away they can use it to put more of us in jail. They can pay Halaburton billions and accept bribes and perks for their efforts. They can take away the few remaining freedoms we still posses. They can own seven homes have a fully paid health care plan and retire on the same amount they were making when so called working. Their kids go to Harvard or Yale and have a high paying jobs guaranteed by other ivy league click lucky few. While we continue to see higher tax, legalized spying, laws being passed based on right wing religious beliefs.

    Or we can fight harder talk to more people raise more money. Demand our representatives stop taking bribes and represent those they are sworn to represent. March, hold meetings, get involved. With our leaders help we will have a great America for all the way it was intended....

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/31/2009 @ 09:38PM PT

  130. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    In the action section our cause is number two. Spread the word lets make it number one again. It seems we stay 500 or so behind sex education which seems odd to me?

    GO VOTE!!

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 05/31/2009 @ 09:48PM PT

  131. mikey  johnson

    YOU ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO A WHITE HOUSE TRADITION:

    The 40th annual Smoke-In
    Washington, DC

    Saturday July 4th:

    Rally - High Noon - Lafayette Park
    Parade - 3:00PM Lafayette Park to Lincoln Memorial
    Concert- 23rd & Constitution Ave NW

    Featuring:

    Human Rights (HR of the Bad Brains)
    See-I
    Christos
    Telesma
    The Package
    The Omsteders
    J.B. Beverley & the Wayward Drifters
    DJ Beedroom

    Call 202-286-5586 or visit www.smoke-in.org for more information.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 06/01/2009 @ 07:43PM PT

  132. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Mikey is this rally the same as MMM? We are due in DC on July 4th?

    http://www.trm3-801.org/

    We should combine our efforts??

    Cherokee Fred Jesus
    State Rep GA MMM

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 06/03/2009 @ 12:13PM PT

  133. mikey  johnson

    Yes I believe these events are one in the same. If not then definitely efforts should be made combine them. Hope to see ya there!

    Posted by mikey johnson on 06/04/2009 @ 06:54PM PT

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  135. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    We need more input to our government please sent them a message...

    http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues

    Let them know what you feel on this issue if we keep hammering they will be forced to change like our leader said he stood for....

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 06/03/2009 @ 12:54PM PT

  136. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Or input here or do as I and use both to send your thoughts daily!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

    CFJ

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 06/03/2009 @ 12:59PM PT

  137. Andrew Snyder

    Van you are a babbling idiot! People like you are the ones our fore fathers took out back and shot for treason! You have 0 right to tell any body what they can or can not do in there homes. It is right wing extremists like you that give us conservative republicans a bad name! It would be the absolute most rewarding and courageous thing we could do would be stopping this insane war on some drugs! It is because of people like you who have had this stereotype of such a negative anti social picture of people who choose safer things than alcohol shoved down your throats for 70 plus years and you actually bought it with out doing zero research of your own. You are such an independent thinker there van. Come on get a clue. This will go down in history the 2nd worst thing to slavery. Jailing people for being different and having different tastes. How narrow minded is that. I bet you want to keep your gun rights . If you take other peoples rights then don't complain when they take yours!

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 06/03/2009 @ 01:21PM PT

  138. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    I just watched a documentary on the life of Abbie Hoffman. It showed when Nixon started taking away our rights. He was the first to use the FBI like his personal Nazi enforcer. We have gone down hill from there to where we are today.

    Did you know the cops can search your car your house ever thing you own with no viable reason. Probable cause is an excuse for a search any time. Like wearing too much after shave they consider this a masking agent and can be use under probable cause searches. I had a cop stop and search my car because I was laughing at a joke my wife told me. He thought because I was laughing I must be high. I suppose we are to walk around like zombies with a frown at all time to warrant off arrest...

    Please join me and fight this tyranny we live with today...

    Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 06/03/2009 @ 03:39PM PT

  139. Andrew Snyder

    I am sorry van, it is you who are the fool!

    Posted by Andrew Snyder on 06/03/2009 @ 08:26PM PT

  140. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    Please help me in drawing a line in the sand to our FEDS...

    http://www.eddylepp.com/

    Send anything you can afford to defend this elder man sentenced to what will be life to this man..How stupid.

    They have paypal its easy send what you can..

    Cherokee Fred Jesus


    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 06/05/2009 @ 09:15AM PT

  141. Cherokee Fred Jesus

    It's Friday night and being 60 I am sitting in my recliner about to get a hot bath and go to bed. After Bill Maher of course he is my hero...

    But I had a thought, a revolutionary thought..

    WHY DO OUR LEADERS NOT TAKE THE 100 BILLION WASTED ON THE WAR ON DRUGS.

    MAKE HELP WITHOUT STIGMA AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO NEED HELP OR WANT HELP.

    THOSE THAT DO NOT REQUIRE HELP WILL BE LEFT ALONE TREAT THEM LIKE THE ADULTS THEY ARE.

    WHY DO OUR LEADERS DESTROY THOSE THAT FEEL THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE CHOICE.

    COULD IT BE THE MILLIONS CORPORATIONS PAY THEM. THE CORPORATIONS THAT STAND TO LOSE THE MOST MONEY IF CANNABIS WERE LEGAL?

    IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS OF OUR OWN. WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE COULD HAVE WITHOUT THE GREED WE LIVE WITH TODAY.

    THEY HAVE ALMOST WIPED OUT THE MIDDLE CLASS WITH THEIR WARS AND LAWS TO SERVE CORPORATE PROFITS. YET YOU NEVER HEAR OF A SWAT TEAM BREAKING DOWN A SENATORS DOOR..  WONDER WHAT YOU WOULD FIND? FOR SURE YOU WOULD FIND A BANK BOOK SHOWING MULTI MILLIONS OF PAC MONEY STASHED AWAY.

    WHILE THE PEOPLE IN THE HOOD ARMED WITH THEIR SUBSTANDARD EDUCATION. TRY TO LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM. WE SACRIFICE ALMOST A MILLION OF THEM A YEAR.

    NOW THAT THEY HAVE FOUND A NEW ROUTE TO TAKE OUR MONEY AND FUTURE. TO REDUCE THE NUMBERS IN JAIL THEY ARE SWITCHING TO PROBATION AND REHAB ALONG WITH FINES FOR YOUR VICTIMLESS CRIME. THIS IS TURING INTO A REAL MONEY MACHINE FOR MANY CITIES. PLUS THEY CAN SAY WE ARE NOT SENDING AS MANY TO JAIL. WE JUST MILK THEM AND DESTROY THEIR RECORD, WORKS FOR THEM.

    THE CORPORATIONS WISH US TO ONLY HAVE THE CHOICE THEY PRODUCE. I READ AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR FOUL CHEMICAL DRUGS THEY PUSH. KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS EVERY YEAR LOOK AT THE STATISTICS ITS ALL THERE. MANY OF THEIR FOUL CHEMICALS COULD BE REPLACED BY A NATURAL HERB SAY DOCTORS IN CALIFORNIA

    THEY PAY OUR LAWMAKERS MILLIONS EVER YEAR. THEN WHEN THEY MAKE A DECISION. IT IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT IS BEST FOR ALL AMERICANS. THEY VOTE FOR WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CORPORATIONS THAT PAY THEIR BILLS.

    BACK TO MY IDEA, IT IS TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. MAKE DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT ALL AMERICANS. DO AWAY WITH POVERTY AND MEDICAL DISPARITY. WE COULD HAVE A GREAT COUNTRY WHERE WE COULD ALL LIVE AND PROSPER. IF WE WOULD JUST STOP THE ONES FEEDING ON US.

    END THE WAR ON DRUGS TAKE THE MONEY AND HELP THE FEW THAT WANT OR NEED HELP LEAVE THE REST OF US THE HELL ALONE!!!!

    Cherokee Fred Jesus






    Posted by Cherokee Fred Jesus on 06/05/2009 @ 07:01PM PT

  142. sandra mcshane

    the problem with why people are so easily fooled is down to the fact that a very many people don't have any inbuilt sense of right and wrong. if u look into the work of carl jung you will see how different personality types function. a very high percentage of the population are only capable of learning right from wrong from observing the moral code of those around them. the esfj personality type especially at a whopping 13% of the population. they take what they see at face value. that is why it is so important to convince these people that marijuana is not evil. but we must not abuse them and call them idiots though it is tempting to i know! we must not get their back up and put them automatically on the defensive.to do so would be counterproductive to the cause.

    i have just finished watching the film "milk" with sean penn. in it he urges every gay person to come out. because the more people that these moral copycats know as being gay,the quicker being gay would be accepted. i urge everyone to gently whisper in the ears of these morally confused people. argue the facts till u are blue in the face.

    soon we will be in the majority and these people are built for conformity so they WILL follow suit.

    i suggest also boycotting all the leading brands of beer. budweiser,heineken,miller,coors, play hard ball with these people. print posters. i think it should all be annonymously done. we don't need any more activists being shot down or locked up.

    lets use all the creative power cannabis helps us to achieve!

    FREE THE WEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by sandra mcshane on 06/06/2009 @ 10:01PM PT

  143. mikey  johnson

    We have to remember that for 70+ years, the people of the world have been force-fed misconceptions and fabrications when it comes to not only marijuana, but the users and supporters of marijuana. This is going to lead otherwise intelligent and good people to believe concepts that have no basis in logic. It's leaned behavior. The longer a person has been alive, the longer they have been exposed to this and the harder it is for them to look deep enough to see through it. This is beginning to break down now due to the growing influence of the Internet. Although we really have to gain a higher profile as a movement in order to really begin to change minds.

    I see the issue of gay rights in a similar light as that of marijuana. I feel these are issues of equal importance. Both speak to the most basic of American rights and both are easy to ignore if you yourself are not personally effected by it. They both demonstrate a need to constantly strive to rectify the daily reality in America with the ideals this nation was founded on. Again, this would be aided by a higher platform from which our facts can be heard.

    Posted by mikey johnson on 06/07/2009 @ 11:10AM PT

  144. jeff newman

    i'm about due for a year of sobriety...from alcohol that is.  as it was i was only good for a couple pints on the weekends.  i like to drink coke after takin a toke.

    Posted by